Harold Ballz
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Is NAOS really that good, or is OneLove really that dense...?
Sefriously, this off season has been a long one.
Sefriously, this off season has been a long one.
Rule Clarification; Trolling
- Thread starter Harambe
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LOL .. you're making it pretty clear whose alts you are.
yeah that sounds JUST like One Brow. I'm sure he'd be entertained by your efforts at prevarication - I only hope OB peruses this thread at some point.
prevarication
[pri-var-i-key-shuh n]
noun
1. the act of prevaricating, or lying:
Seeing the expression on his mother's face, Nathan realized this was no time for prevarication.
2. a false or deliberate misstatement; lie:
Her many prevarications had apparently paid off; she was free to go.
[pri-var-i-key-shuh n]
noun
1. the act of prevaricating, or lying:
Seeing the expression on his mother's face, Nathan realized this was no time for prevarication.
2. a false or deliberate misstatement; lie:
Her many prevarications had apparently paid off; she was free to go.
Awesome! Would you now do deliberate?
No. You only get a taste for free.
I wish I could unread that.
I think he was to far to the left in his views and at times he became over bearing with it but I miss him as a poster and thought he provided unique insight to Jazzfanz. He was certainly capable of having thoughtful discussions. Something in dwindling supply here.
Are we referring to OB?
Sorry I was thinking specifically on the race issue when I typed that. Over all I'd agree that he was more towards the center left.
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NAOS
Well-Known Member
I don't remember this issue you're talking about. But what exactly comprises a "far left" stance on race? <--- that's a general question
What was OB arguing? <--- specific question
thanks. curious.
Things like, from what I remember, that minorities (particularly blacks) could not be racist because of the power differential. Which I strongly disagreed with, to me that is a far left stance. But this is not the thread for a detailed debate on that.
Again with liberals thinking that they are less left than they are.
It is all perspective. But I tried to clarify that I meant a specific issue (in my head at least) and that over all I agree that Brow is more towards center left.
NAOS
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I think I remember these conversations. If I do, then I don't think that's the most accurate way of annotating OB's stance. I think it had more to do with differentials in power, and the impact of "racially coded" actions when they come from an empowered group versus when they come from a disempowered group. I think OB was taking issue with the fact that we use the same term "racism" to apply to actions that have very different consequences.
I'll also note that, on its face, the argument you've synopsized is a wrong-footed argument, not a Leftist argument. Wrong does not equal Left.
NAOS
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I think I remember these conversations. If I do, then I don't think that's the most accurate way of annotating OB's stance. I think it had more to do with differentials in power, and the impact of "racially coded" actions when they come from an empowered group versus when they come from a disempowered group. I think OB was taking issue with the fact that we use the same term "racism" to apply to actions that have very different consequences.
I'll also note that, on its face, the argument you've synopsized is a wrong-footed argument, not a Leftist argument. Wrong does not equal Left.
I think I remember these conversations. If I do, then I don't think that's the most accurate way of annotating OB's stance. I think it had more to do with differentials in power, and the impact of "racially coded" actions when they come from an empowered group versus when they come from a disempowered group. I think OB was taking issue with the fact that we use the same term "racism" to apply to actions that have very different consequences.
I'll also note that, on its face, the argument you've synopsized is a wrong-footed argument, not a Leftist argument. Wrong does not equal Left.
I agree that the extremely brief nuance I stated is inadequate of truly stating OBs whole stance on the issue. Just an example of why I thought he was "far left" on that issue. But I do feel that what I stated was correct if inadequate. The amount of differentials in social/economic power do not make or break a racist action. They might affect its impact but it does not make, or prevent it from being, racism.
I agree that "wrong" is not synonymous with "left". I am sure we can both come up with many examples of the right being wrong and the left being correct. Gay marriage anyone? But there are far left policies, as well as far right polices, that are wrong and far left or right at the same time.
Of course what is "wrong" is usually an opinion as well in these debates. But that is the last I will talk about that issue in here.
Summary: While I usually disagreed, sometimes strongly, with OB I think he was a valuable poster and provided a good altering view on issues and debates. The more voices that are civil the better.
NAOS
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you are likely correct about this, if you are seeking validation from the court of public opinion. But that's precisely the problem! Given the radically different effects of actions from empowered groups versus disempowered groups, a single term (racism) is inadequate if we seek validation from the court of DESCRIBING PHENOMENA. In the latter, "racism" is sloppy term at best.