Hayward an Allstar?

[fishonjazz]

I doubt they are going to play Hayward less to that extent.

Agree to disagree I guess. I think Hayward comes down to about 34 minutes per game or so.

That's two minutes less per game. I would guess that an average possession is about 15 seconds long or so (if you factor in fast breaks and end of quarter possesions with very little time on the clock).

That would be 8 less possessions per game. (Of course I have no idea how long the average possession really is)

Even using the max time of a possesion (24 seconds) he would still be on the court for like 5 less possessions per game.

I expect less close games next year so he would play less minutes for that reason too (along with the more depth reason)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Agree to disagree I guess. I think Hayward comes down to about 34 minutes per game or so.

That's two minutes less per game. I would guess that an average possession is about 15 seconds long or so (if you factor in fast breaks and end of quarter possesions with very little time on the clock).

That would be 8 less possessions per game. (Of course I have no idea how long the average possession really is)

Even using the max time of a possesion (24 seconds) he would still be on the court for like 5 less possessions per game.

I expect less close games next year so he would play less minutes for that reason too (along with the more depth reason)

We also played at an alltime slow pace for our team last year. We will probably player faster this year with more talent.

 

[fishonjazz]

We also played at an alltime slow pace for our team last year. We will probably player faster this year with more talent.

I know. That is what green said. I think we play at a faster pace and get a few more possesions per game as a team. I think Hayward plays less minutes though so I think his personal possessions that he is on the court for don't actually increase.

 

[The Thriller]

I doubt Hayward will play fewer minutes.

One has to remember, the NBA is getting smaller, not bigger.

At this point, I'm wondering who we can match up with by playing favors and Gobert at the same time? This isn't 1996. If I'm an opposing coach, I'm going small. Neither Favors nor Gobert have an offensive game to make me pay. Yet if I go small, I can run circles around the jazz's big lineup.

Players like Draymond Green or Gordon Hayward are extremely important in today's NBA. Hayward can play 1-3. And if the NBA continues to get smaller, maybe he could even play a little 4.

AK47 played a decade too early. He'd be a monster in today's NBA.

 

[fishonjazz]

I doubt Hayward will play fewer minutes.

One has to remember, the NBA is getting smaller, not bigger.

At this point, I'm wondering who we can match up with by playing favors and Gobert at the same time? This isn't 1996. If I'm an opposing coach, I'm going small. Neither Favors nor Gobert have an offensive game to make me pay. Yet if I go small, I can run circles around the jazz's big lineup.

Players like Draymond Green or Gordon Hayward are extremely important in today's NBA. Hayward can play 1-3. And if the NBA continues to get smaller, maybe he could even play a little 4.

AK47 played a decade too early. He'd be a monster in today's NBA.

This is a good point (I think your point is Hayward playing the 4) but we had even less guys to play small ball 4 last year (hayward, ingles, lyles?) than we will this year (hayward, ingles, lyles, jj, diaw?) and we had more of a reason to play Hayward at the 4 last year due to our injuries to Gobert and favors and less depth.
Yet how much time did Hayward play at the 4? Maybe quin will make a big change next year and play Hayward at the 4. Who knows.

 

[The Thriller]

This is a good point (I think your point is Hayward playing the 4) but we had even less guys to play small ball 4 last year (hayward, ingles, lyles?) than we will this year (hayward, ingles, lyles, jj, diaw?) and we had more of a reason to play Hayward at the 4 last year due to our injuries to Gobert and favors and less depth.
Yet how much time did Hayward play at the 4? Maybe quin will make a big change next year and play Hayward at the 4. Who knows.

I don't know either.

Off the top of my head we have favors, Lyles, Diaw, and Hayward who can play the 4.

In reality, I'd really like to see Hayward develop More of a post game. He'd be unstoppable if he ever did this. Plus, it would help him with longevity as he grows older and begins to lose quickness.

Once harp lost his knees and quickness, he changed his game to be very much a post player. Remember how he would take t Mac into the post and abuse him down low repeatedly? It was awesome.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't know either.

Off the top of my head we have favors, Lyles, Diaw, and Hayward who can play the 4.

I think in small ball jj and ingles could play the 4. (I think ingles even did for a bit last year)
Again though. Point is we have at least as many players to play the 4 this year as we did last year (i think we actually have more to play the 4 this year) and Hayward didn't play the 4 much if at all last year so I don't expect him to this year. Things could change though. And our pace could stay the same, we could have more games we win by a big margin, lots of things could happen.

I think Hayward plays less minutes though and I think he SHOULD play less minutes. That would be the smart thing to do imo. Especially with the depth we now have. I felt that he played too many minutes last year and remember someone posting a stat about distance travelled by nba players on court last year and iirc Hayward was 2nd in the league.

 

[LoPo]

If we are top 5 in the west and Hayward hasn't missed any time due to injury, then I think he will make the All Star team. There is no Kobe or Duncan out there to take automatic spots. As of right now, he's got the reputation as our best player and they will look to put a Utah rep on the team if we have that kind of record.

 

[Miggs]

Think about it. Hayward averaged 19.7 pts a game last year. At the end of games, you take the ball out of Hayward's hands and put it in Hill's. Now you run pick and roll with Hill and Favors. Hayward camps out on the corner three. A quick P&R, a couple swing passes, and instead of a TO Hayward gets a wide open three in the corner.

Now he is averaging 23 pts a game. You do this twice a game and Hayward is averaging 23-25 pts a game.

I think Hayward is a max player and he is our best player and it's not close. I think that now that's he's not playing PG this year, he will appear even better. Just 1-2 plays a game can take him from 19.7 pts to 23-25.

So Hill will just pass it to hayward every time and never shoot himself or pass it to anyone else? And if he does just pass it to Hayward every time, Hay's gonna hit 100% on those corner threes? Emkaaaay.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

It will happen. And on that day I will call out Mission Accomplished to request a self ban, as per his assertion that it would never happen.

It's more about that, than recognition for one of our Jazz players really.

If he doesn't make it do I get to ban all of Jazzfanz that drools over his mediocre game?

 

[silesian]

Here is another thing to consider. With Hill, Johnson, and Exum I expect the amount of possessions Utah has to go up. We had the fewest possessions in the NBA last year. It would not be difficult to get five more possessions per game and Hayward 2 more shots.

First, five more possessions takes us from 93.3 to 98.8 (from last to 12th in NBA). Possible but improbable. But let's be very liberal in the calculation and assume that this leap in pace happens.
Next, let's say Hayward's playing time increases to 38 MPG so the he is on the floor for ~ 4 of those possessions (5*38/48)
Finally, let's say his usage goes up from 26 to 30% and his ORTG goes up from 110 to 120 (i.e., he scores 1.2 points per possession).

So with all those optimistic assumptions combined, his scoring increases by 4*0.3*1.2 = 1.4 ppg.

I love the optimism, but how many 7th year players improve their scoring by 10%? I think Hayward great but mostly "he is who he is" and to expect a large upside will more-likely-than-not lead to unnecessary disappointment.

 

[silesian]

It's happened 8 times total, with 3 times in the last 10 years (soon to be 4 times)

2006 Pistons - Hamilton, Billups, & both Wallaces
2011 Celtics - Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, Allen
2015 Hawks - Millsap, Teague, Horford, Korver

The 1982-3 Sixers (who went 12-1 in playoffs and swept the Kareem/ Magic Lakers in the finals) also had 4 all-stars -- including a record 3 in the starting lineup. Dr J, Moses, Toney, Cheeks. And their sixth man of the year was Bobby Jones (9X all NBA defense), who was an all-star the year before.