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fishonjazz said:
Just that when you play chess or those other games most of the time money is not involved and not a factor. They have that in common.
Poker is in a different category than them
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It is different because the bets you make each played hand is the core of poker strategy.
 
Not better at poker than Bulletproof, unfortunately.

But better than the rest of you posers.
 
Bulletproof said:
There are no serious poker games played for pride or the satisfaction of winning. Money is tied to poker more than it is any of those other games. The influence money has on how poker is played is greater than it is for any of those other games. I was ready to let your comments stand but it was the responses you've given other people that brought me back in.

Tournament poker has become popular, but it is a relatively new type of poker. Traditional "cash game" or "live game" or "ring game" poker is played using real money as the primary tool. You don't play that form of poker until someone "wins." Traditional poker can have players come and go and in some casinos the same game on the same table can last days, weeks or years. You sit down and buy-in for any amount you'd like within a range, you can add additional money any time between hands up to the set maximum, and you can stand up and cash out at any point, up or down $1, once you've lost all your chips, or with $1 million dollars that you've collected from any number of players who have come and gone from the table. There is no other game like that. At that type of game 8 out of 9 players at the table could be up. Hell there could be a situation after a few people leave a table that 9 out of 9 players could be up. It's also possible that one player could have taken significant amounts from everyone else and once they leave every single player on the table is down. There's no dynamic in that situation that is remotely like bridge. In that game there is a beginning and and end where a player or team is definitely the winner of the game. In poker each hand is essentially independent from all other hands.

Chips are easier to handle and manage so money is exchanged directly for chips that have real cash value.

Tournament poker might resemble a serious bridge tournament that is played for money, but traditional poker cannot in any way shape or form be separated from the money that is being put into the pot and it is very different from any of the other games you mentioned in that regard.

Liar's dice? Show me the serious for money games of liar's dice. c'mon man.
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Famous poker player Dan Harrington was a backgammon champion. He played that game for high stakes and his poker play took a similar calculated stance. The difference with poker was that he read a player for the money rather than simply outsmarting an opponent in a game of chance. He was also a chess master.

Anyway, this sounds like a fun event but I quit my gambling addiction 12 years ago after I caught Jennifer Harmon ogling me from the glass high stakes room in the Balagio poker room. I decided it couldn't get better than that.

Why would I need a body guard tho?
 
One Brow said:
So, it's personal now? Up to you. I've been a devotee of games of all sorts for about 50 years. You know poker, and you seem to be irritated that I have a perspective on the game you don't, since your experience has less breadth. That's kind of sad for you. However, I won't disturb your thread again with notions on the nature of games.

I do hope everyone enjoys poker night.
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OB, I was frustrated with things other than this thread and it made way into this interaction. So, my apologies.
 
uncle f said:
Famous poker player Dan Harrington was a backgammon champion. He played that game for high stakes and his poker play took a similar calculated stance. The difference with poker was that he read a player for the money rather than simply outsmarting an opponent in a game of chance. He was also a chess master.

Anyway, this sounds like a fun event but I quit my gambling addiction 12 years ago after I caught Jennifer Harmon ogling me from the glass high stakes room in the Balagio poker room. I decided it couldn't get better than that.

Why would I need a body guard tho?
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Dan Harrington wrote the best tournament poker book I'm aware of, "Harrington on Hold'em" It's a three book series and is easy to read.
 
Siro said:
Not better at poker than Bulletproof, unfortunately.

But better than the rest of you posers.
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Haha, I've been running hot the last two games but I'll cool off and probably stay cold for a while.

I think a few peoples' take from the last game was that I was doing stupid things and getting lucky, but I felt super locked in that game and made some really spot on reads that ended up being right.

Going into Gustavo's poker game I hadn't played a live game since the last one I hosted at my house after the Summer Poker League ended, so I had some rust to shake off.
 
Bulletproof said:
Dan Harrington wrote the best tournament poker book I'm aware of, "Harrington on Hold'em" It's a three book series and is easy to read.
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The first thing I'd do when I fall off the wagon, which will happen eventually, is read Harrington again.

If you're into poker watch Brunson crush Tom Dwan in Poker After Dark. Latest season, 3 episodes back IIRC. Dwan is the deadliest player on the planet but Brunson schooled him. First took 100k and then called a massive raise with only a pair of queens and ten kicker.

Texas Dolly is legend for a reason.
 
Bulletproof said:
Haha, I've been running hot the last two games but I'll cool off and probably stay cold for a while.

I think a few peoples' take from the last game was that I was doing stupid things and getting lucky, but I felt super locked in that game and made some really spot on reads that ended up being right.

Going into Gustavo's poker game I hadn't played a live game since the last one I hosted at my house after the Summer Poker League ended, so I had some rust to shake off.
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Same with me (I hadn't played since summer league). As for your luck, well, you often end up in the money. I think you're good. I think I have a sense of who, among the regulars, are most easy to manipulate. You're not on that list.
 
Siro said:
Same with me (I hadn't played since summer league). As for your luck, well, you often end up in the money. I think you're good. I think I have a sense of who, among the regulars, are most easy to manipulate. You're not on that list.
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I think that if you'd played half the hands I've played you'd be a better player than I am. I would put money that I've played more hands of live poker than any two other players in our current game combined. That's really my biggest advantage.
 
Siro said:
It is different because the bets you make each played hand is the core of poker strategy.
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Exactly. The key being that it is the CORE of poker strategy.
 
@One Brow

Tell me about the chess match that lasts for years. How does that work? I think you were straight up talking out of your *** on that. I don't think you really understood or considered the meaning of what i was saying about a poker game lasting for years (which has absolutely happened). If You want to have a conversation about this I want to know that you understand the dynamics of traditional cash game poker. That is the most common type of poker played in casinos, and is now, since the tournament craze from 2003-2010 has died down, also the most common type of home game. Tournament poker, which I love, is somewhat of an anomaly. Most hard core poker players have a certain degree of contempt for tournament poker. When it was full of fish they embraced it, now that things have changed they are mostly back to cash games.

The fact that most poker games played are called "cash games" should be a good indication of the the role money plays in poker. Hot tip, it is bigger than the role money plays in bridge, chess, backgammon (which might have a huge for-money community) or any other game you mentioned.

You think I don't have a breadth of experience playing games? Seriously, GFYS. My original name, "Gameface" is partially because I enjoy all sorts of games. I'm not particularly good at chess, but I'll play chess with anyone, anytime. I'll play gin, I'll play bridge, I'll play Spades (I'm a pretty respectable spades player), Hearts, Risk (also pretty above average here), and Monopoly, which all anyone has to say is that they want to play monopoly for a little money and I'll host the **** out of that. Not to mention that I'm fairly exceptional at a few online games.

I'm a game player. I'm not unicum in general, but I like games.
 
Btw, I only asked if guns were allowed to joke about those one dudes who showed up to your place to play poker with their six shooters on their side. Classy and respectful dudes they were, eh?
 
Archie Moses said:
Btw, I only asked if guns were allowed to joke about those one dudes who showed up to your place to play poker with their six shooters on their side. Classy and respectful dudes they were, eh?
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It was unusual, especially the way they handled questions about it. I think they were certainly trying to make a statement/point but I don't think the message went through.

Anyway, weapons are not allowed at the table. Funny having to make a rule about that. But as I've mentioned, I don't strip search or pat down my guests.

Open carry at my tables will not happen again.
 
RJF said:
JG, If I’m able to attend I likely won’t play either. Just enjoy the atmosphere and imbibe and some of GF’s barley sodas.
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I plan to make the game affordable and social enough to encourage people to play. I want an inclusive event. I want ANY jazzfanz.com member to feel comfortable coming to play or to show up to hang out.

This will hopefully be a jazzfanz.com event where we can all get together. there was a good chunk of this season none of us would had guessed the Jazz would be going to the playoffs. It now seems like playoffs are likely. Let us celebrate that!
 
Bulletproof said:
I plan to make the game affordable and social enough to encourage people to play. I want an inclusive event. I want ANY jazzfanz.com member to feel comfortable coming to play or to show up to hang out.

This will hopefully be a jazzfanz.com event where we can all get together. there was a good chunk of this season none of us would had guessed the Jazz would be going to the playoffs. It now seems like playoffs are likely. Let us celebrate that!
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I’m really excited for this. Hopefully lots of people will show up and hopefully I can make it. I work all the time, except when on vacation, and I’m going camping near the end of April too. I will go if at all possible though, no doubt.
 
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