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FYI according to Net Rating Rubio was our best player in the playoffs and Favors was our 2nd best.

Missing Rubio hurt a lot against Houston. Also Favors ankle injury and being limited on minutes the last 2 games cost us those games. He played very well in his limited minutes those games and was significantly better against Capela than Gobert.
 
I have convinced myself more Rubio is the 3rd piece and we should keep this team intact unless we can land a big name elite player.

I prefer Favors to Harris.
 
Ron Mexico said:
That is not worth it for us. Taking that giant dump of a contract for a position we have 0 need for is not worth a late pick.

I think some people are overvaluing a draft pick because of Mitchell and to a lesser extent Gobert. Rookies dont contribute to winning 99% of the time.
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We can do this dance all day I guess so I'm going to try to put an end to it.

Favors is an excellent lockerroom guy but a liability against a great team like Houston or Golden State. Even if we had Rubio, Favors wouldn't have seen the floor much with Gobert. It's called spacing. Unfortunately, Favors hasn't crafted his game like Al Horford. Instead, he remains a below average offensive player, zero spacing threat, and above average defender. I want to keep him, but some people are absolutely crazy if they think we are going to beat GS, Houston or eventually Boston by lining up Favors next to Gobert for more than a 10 minutes per game.

As for Gortat, I've always liked his game. As opposed to Jerekbo and Udoh, Gortat would actually play meaningful minutes as Gobert's backup. He's agile, defends well and plays with a bulldog mentality. And for one expiring year, he would be good for us without sacrificing the future.

We could keep Favors, keep Exum, keep Neto and add Gortat and be under the luxury unless we overpay heavily to keep Favors or Exum. And if you think the #17 pick is worthless, you're crazy. #21 and #17 could be combined to get into the late lottery. At the very least, we could turn it into a future lottery pick. Some team will like somebody at #17 and offer us a pick that we can protect into a future lottery.
 
If Favors can improve that three, there's no point in talking about anyone else. And Rubio is about as good as we're going to get at the PG position. I know it's been a long week since the season ended, but a lot of you guys are crazy for thinking about Wiggins right now.
 
I think we might just be a big two and fill in with other mediums that can act big in different situations.
 
Gas said:
Ibaka is somewhat interesting. Toronto is weird with their minutes. They like to split them up with their bigs. Maybe that wore on Ibaka. If we picked him up and got old Ibaka that would be a hell of a pick up.
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I feel like no one watches teams outside the Jazz sometimes... Wiggins, Ibaka, these guys are pretty terrible and their contracts are horrible.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I have convinced myself more Rubio is the 3rd piece and we should keep this team intact unless we can land a big name elite player.

I prefer Favors to Harris.
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I think I convinced you Favors over Harris. Ive been saying this all along. You have been running around all day like a chicken with its head cut off digging up stats and doing research. You could have just trusted my educated guesses to come to the same conclusion. How long before you jump on board the Super Mario train? If stats make you feel better you can look into what he has done this last season when he played sufficient consistent minutes vs inconsistent lowsy minutes. Im too lazy to do it, and you are much better at it.


Gas said:
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Also part of the problem with pursuing Harris is you having to give up Favors. So you arent just spending what you need to get Harris.

Id take Favors over Harris straight up. So I sure as hell dont want to be giving away firsts for that switch. Thats bad basketball GMing
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Just look at this before you keep talking about Favors being injured:

In the 2017-18 playoffs, Favors played 26.3 mpg against the Clippers and 10.3 mpg against GS. In this year's playoffs, Favors played 33 mpg against OKC and 18 mpg against Houston. There is a reason why he is playing less minutes. You can blame injury, but if he was injured, he wouldn't have been playing at least 13 minutes every game against Houston which he did. You can blame injuries last year, but he got hurt enough to play 10 mpg after just playing 30 mpg?

Player excuses around here get ridiculous. Favors is an 8 year pro. He isn't going to turn into Paul Millsap tomorrow. Maybe, just maybe, he can turn into a Serge Ibaka type. But odds are, if he hasn't shown signs by now, he probably isn't going to take those steps.

I want Favors here because Mitchell wants him here. As for competing against Houston and Golden State, he isn't as essential as another versatile wing or a PF who can score.
 
Gas said:
I think I convinced you Favors over Harris. Ive been saying this all along. You have been running around all day like a chicken with its head cut off digging up stats and doing research. You could have just trusted my educated guesses to come to the same conclusion. How long before you jump on board the Super Mario train? If stats make you feel better you can look into what he has done this last season when he played sufficient consistent minutes vs inconsistent lowsy minutes. Im too lazy to do it, and you are much better at it.
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I'm okay with Hezonja for a cheap deal but I think he gets offered too much. But he is worth risk is cheap. High reward/low risk.

As far as Favors goes, I've been preaching about him not stop.
 
Gas said:
No, I didnt watch Ibaka much. Thats why I qualified my statement and it wasnt my idea either
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I know others mentioned it... just used your reply.

He’s not good and they’d drive his *** to the airport if we’d take his contract.
 
LoPo said:
Just look at this before you keep talking about Favors being injured:

In the 2017-18 playoffs, Favors played 26.3 mpg against the Clippers and 10.3 mpg against GS. In this year's playoffs, Favors played 33 mpg against OKC and 18 mpg against Houston. There is a reason why he is playing less minutes. You can blame injury, but if he was injured, he wouldn't have been playing at least 13 minutes every game against Houston which he did. You can blame injuries last year, but he got hurt enough to play 10 mpg after just playing 30 mpg?

Player excuses around here get ridiculous. Favors is an 8 year pro. He isn't going to turn into Paul Millsap tomorrow. Maybe, just maybe, he can turn into a Serge Ibaka type. But odds are, if he hasn't shown signs by now, he probably isn't going to take those steps.
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I agree with some of this, but he does have some value. Its just depends on what he wants to be paid. He does have nice games for us. If he wants 20 million a year for 4 years then heck no. Its got to be lower.
 
LoPo said:
Just look at this before you keep talking about Favors being injured:

In the 2017-18 playoffs, Favors played 26.3 mpg against the Clippers and 10.3 mpg against GS. In this year's playoffs, Favors played 33 mpg against OKC and 18 mpg against Houston. There is a reason why he is playing less minutes. You can blame injury, but if he was injured, he wouldn't have been playing at least 13 minutes every game against Houston which he did. You can blame injuries last year, but he got hurt enough to play 10 mpg after just playing 30 mpg?

The excuses for players gets ridiculous. Favors is an 8 year pro. He isn't going to turn into Paul Millsap tomorrow. Maybe, just maybe, he can turn into a Serge Ibaka type. But odds are, if he hasn't shown signs by now, he probably isn't going to take those steps.
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Yep, he was injured. Did you not pay any attention to the playoffs? Favors got hurt and wasnt going to play but he gutted through and played 15 min a game the last two. He was much better than Gobert those games. He didn't sit because of fitting with Gobert or not being playable against Houston.

Facts are Favors and Gobert can play together very well. They always have. I've shown the stats.

Favors was great this post season again.
 
Keeping Favors would be big, but I dont want to break the bank for him, but if we lost him our record defense would really suffer. Its nice having him as a back up center and for when Gobert goes down. Its not just about him playing the 4. Its another reason why I dont want to let him go for some overpaid 3 and/or undersized 4.

I think you start the offseason seeing what you can work out with Favors. You see if you can come to a reasonable deal. Then go from there. I would love Aaron Gordon, but I highly doubt the magic dont match. They are dumb, but they have to be feeling the fan base pressure after making so many mistakes. Hezonja being the most recent.

I have no idea what Hezonja is going to command. So Im not sure if you have to lose Favors and/or Exum for him. Although he is intriguing enough for me that I might think about it. Ideally you get all 3 and move some of those other crappy deals we got.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I'm okay with Hezonja for a cheap deal but I think he gets offered too much. But he is worth risk is cheap. High reward/low risk.

As far as Favors goes, I've been preaching about him not stop.
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What is cheap? I'd offer Hezonja the MLE and give it a go. Too little?

Also, I dictated Hezonja to voice recognition, and it wrote "he's on you".
 
Don't know who the Jazz need, but I'd hate to see Favors go. I disagree that Derrick and Rudy don't play well together. I have no idea why Favors needs to shoot threes, though. He's the only guy on the Jazz that can play with his back to the basket. We need more of that.

I don't want DL to mess too much with the chemistry of this team.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yep, he was injured. Did you not pay any attention to the playoffs? Favors got hurt and wasnt going to play but he gutted through and played 15 min a game the last two. He was much better than Gobert those games. He didn't sit because of fitting with Gobert or not being playable against Houston.

Facts are Favors and Gobert can play together very well. They always have. I've shown the stats.

Favors was great this post season again.
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Against OKC, sure. They cannot, however, play against teams who launch 40 3s a game. That's just not enough foot speed. Then on the other end you have both Favors and Gobert who cannot successfully post up a guard and score. It just doesn't make sense.
 
Favors had great moments this postseason, but to say he had a great postseason is a massive stretch. He had a huge game against OKC and a huge shot game 6. Against Houston, he was solid but never a game changer.

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I could easily see Hezonja becoming one of the leagues best shooters within a couple years.

He puts a nice high arc on his shot. His form looks good and its a quick release. He can also shoot with range beyond the 3 point line, and mid range. It looks like a pure shooters touch like Klay Thompson.

Even with crazy inconsistent playing time he still shot 33% from 3. If you look at his whole career he basically has never been given a real chance except for a handful of games this last year. Even before the NBA he spent 3 years in Europe not getting a lot of minutes. Thats not how you develop talent. You got to give him a chance to find some rythym and get better.

To beat the Warriors and Rockets we need players who can hit the 3. We need to find those players. Brick layers like Jae Crowder arent going to cut it.
 
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