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Are presidents above the law?

The Thriller said:
I think we need to get away from the "both sides are at fault" routine. That plays right into the hands of the corrupt that want to keep this divide going.

There's a difference between having a bias and outright BSing. Maddow intentionally claiming that she has Trump's tax returns (from the 1990s) and attempting to raise concerns about his taxes to get eyeballs is different from Hannity claiming that Hillary planned and organized Benghazi, put a hit on Seth Rich, and that the Philadelphia Eagles knelt down to protest the flag (while using pictures of Eagles players kneeling down and praying before the anthem).

There's a difference between a news network having a bias and a propaganda network, like Fox. There's nothing on the left that comes close to Fox News. Hell, even on MSNBC's morning show, "Liberal Joe" is hosted by a former GOP Congressman. If MSNBC wanted to imitate the Fox model and brainwash people, they'd hire Bernie Sanders to blab every morning instead of a former moderate republican. Could you imagine Fox News having a former Democrat host a major morning show?
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You might be right, but not in the way you are suggesting. For example, Shepherd Smith, who hosts one of Fox's highest rated shows, is not a former Democrat. He's a current Democrat.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Based on your comments I'm certain you think there was never an issue with the way he governed, but for some people there were many. Here's a sampling:
https://www.cato.org/publications/c...obama-violated-constitution-during-presidency
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Some of these may have been during Obama's administration, but there is no evidence he was personally involved. For others, interpretation of how to enforce law has long been considered in the scope of Presidential authority. Of course, small things like facts rarely disturb the Cato institute.

Obama was such a centrist that he was a disappointment to many liberals in many of his policies and proposals.
 
Never fails to amuse me when some ignoramus talks about Obama like he's Chomsky. He's a corporate lap dog like the rest of them. Still better than the current narcissist turd (if only because Obama is an internationalist), but that isn't saying much.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Conservative commentators make almost the exact same claim about the Dems. They have no platform other than Trump hate. I listen to both sides but the conservative argument definitely resonates more with me. The idea that they are driven by grievance politics is just an attempt to simplify their position to the absurd. There can be no doubt that a large portion of the country is not in favor of the direction that Obama attempted to take it, though. Many people believe, as I do, that capitalism (despite it's shortcomings) is the best economic system ever invented. It's far better than socialism and much, much better than communism. It's surprising to me that despite all the evidence there is such a resurgence of people who think they would prefer a socialistic system.
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Yeah, let's just spit out reused dumbass ****ing lines they heard by their fellow dumbass friends.

You do realize we already have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, and the list goes on and on and have for decades and decades. But yeah, keep spouting dumb **** about Socialism that some jagoff said once once Obama got into office and somehow gained traction, I can only imagine because that's what happens with dumbasses. They spout ignorance and it's learned and passed down.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Conservative commentators make almost the exact same claim about the Dems. They have no platform other than Trump hate. I listen to both sides but the conservative argument definitely resonates more with me. The idea that they are driven by grievance politics is just an attempt to simplify their position to the absurd. There can be no doubt that a large portion of the country is not in favor of the direction that Obama attempted to take it, though. Many people believe, as I do, that capitalism (despite it's shortcomings) is the best economic system ever invented. It's far better than socialism and much, much better than communism. It's surprising to me that despite all the evidence there is such a resurgence of people who think they would prefer a socialistic system.
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This response is pretty amazing actually. I specifically point out two examples from Trump that are more antagonistic to free market capitalism than anything Obama did, and this is what you came up with. Well done.
 
Siro said:
Never fails to amuse me when some ignoramus talks about Obama like he's Chomsky. He's a corporate lap dog like the rest of them. Still better than the current narcissist turd (if only because Obama is an internationalist), but that isn't saying much.
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The most 'socialistic' policy Obama came up with was based on a free market friendly heritage foundation idea FFS. To a large number of people in this county their idea of socialism is just anything they happen (or have been told to) disagree with. It's used a more as a pejorative than as an actual set of ideas.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
He used the word party so I just assumed he meant as a whole.
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You should go back an reread what he wrote. He asked what Colton thought moderates would need to do to take their party back from the Trumpers. The point being that the 'moderate' wing of the GOP is politically dead within its own party.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yeah, let's just spit out reused dumbass ****ing lines they heard by their fellow dumbass friends.

You do realize we already have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, and the list goes on and on and have for decades and decades. But yeah, keep spouting dumb **** about Socialism that some jagoff said once once Obama got into office and somehow gained traction, I can only imagine because that's what happens with dumbasses. They spout ignorance and it's learned and passed down.
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You're calling me names? How old are you?
 
Zombie said:
This response is pretty amazing actually. I specifically point out two examples from Trump that are more antagonistic to free market capitalism than anything Obama did, and this is what you came up with. Well done.
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Forgive me. I don't recall what two specific examples you pointed out. I don't think it's true that Trump has been more antagonistic to free market capitalism than Obama, though. Not even close.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You mean, I've just been imagining the stuff about a Single Payer Healthcare system, etc.?
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So far, that has not been a plank in any major political party platform, nor a major piece of attempted legislation. So, you've probably been over-reacting to stuff people have been saying that has no serious action behind it.

Wait, I forgot that Joe Bagadonuts never does that, just other people. Sorry.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Took me five seconds to five seconds to find this:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lead-single-payer-health-care-bill/403549002/
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Perhaps you should have spent another five seconds reading it.

DNC chairman Tom Perez has said “health care is a right,” but he has signaled achieving single-payer health care is unrealistic.

One bill in the Republican-dominated House is not the same a major party support. It's easy to sign up for bills you know have no chance of passing, to look good to your base.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
At least someone on the left gets it. Mostly the commentary on both extremes is completely unhinged.
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I'm not really "on the left." I just appear that way because the right has moved so far away from me. I'm an independent and a centrist. Since I'm forced into a two-party system, I identify more with the Democrat platform, but their party politics are nearly as ridiculous as the Republicans. So I vote and hope for better options someday.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Forgive me. I don't recall what two specific examples you pointed out. I don't think it's true that Trump has been more antagonistic to free market capitalism than Obama, though. Not even close.
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Maybe you should try reading the posts you respond to then. My statement on free trade was in reference to his fairly highly publicized trade war with China and tarriffs on various Canadian and European imports. The other policy I mentioned was forcing energy markets to buy power from failing coal and nuclear plants.
 
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