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2019 trade deadline discussion

I don't think we are going to let either Favors or Rubio go so we can over pay Middleton. Unless Favors gets hurt.

I think Favors stays in Utah and is our primary PF for both years unless he gets injured.

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LoPo said:
I'm just throwing ideas out there because I don't believe we are changing the roster much the next two years. I don't think we are players in 2019 free agency. Lastly, I think we need another asset if we do try to pull off a trade for a player who improves the team.

This will all become obvious when we extend or re-sign Rubio and match on Favors' deal next July. At that point, we won't have cap space to sign anybody substantial and we are going to wish we had another asset.

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A couple things I have brought up before but still matter. We can't beat the asset collection of Boston or Philly or even the Lakers. Unless we are getting back a potential top 5ish pick (which we are not), that's the hard truth. Secondly, the point of the non-guaranteed year on Favors contract, and not signing anybody except for Exum (who the Jazz obviously believe to be part of the core) is to have the flexibility to offer somebody next offseason. It doesn't really matter how unlikely you think it is for a star to come here, the chances drop to 0% if you don't even have the space. The Jazz put themselves in a win-win position with the Favors deal I believe, because they can fall back on that if nobody signs and try again in 2020 FA.

TL;DR. The Jazz aren't giving up their flexibility.
 
I agree with what you are saying @MDAV28. My personal opinion is that we aren't going to let Favors and Rubio go. So we won't have much cap space anyway. If that's the case, get an asset now.

And I'm not talking about going after a Parsons deal anyway. I'm talking about a minor deal like adding Dellie's $9.6. If we can get into the mid-teens from the mid-20's in 2020 because we took Dellie now, it could be a good trade chip or draft pick at a time when we are gonna start aging in the post.

I just refuse to believe that Rubio and Favors are going anywhere. I mean, check this out:

We are just going to cut him or Rubio next summer to sign a guy like Middleton?

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I genuinely don't see Rubio or Favors going anywhere at this point unless that is for the elusive 3rd superstar (not all-star, but top 10 type). The main thing is both above-average players who can be reasonably be expected to make a jump next year. Rubio is the closest because all he has to do is continue his shooting from last year and take an extra shot or two. A 18 PPG average puts him at that production tier we need to ease the burden on Mitchell. If Favors could gain a reasonable corner 3, he could also be there as he'll get more looks in the Jazz offense.

If both manage to do it? Oh mama.....
 
LoPo said:
What do we think Rubio will get per year in an extension? $18 on a declining contract? Maybe $18, $17, $16, team option $16?

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The cap will jump by about 6 to 7m next year (estimate was 108m) and he's the only starter without a contract going into that season. Burks, Thabo, and Udo are expiring. So that's about 22m in space I believe, accounding for expirings and the salary cap rise. Rubio may get the same sort of deal as Favors at about 18 to 20m. I imagine the Jazz will try to make it declining and with some options, but they won't overly push the matter. Rubio wasn't as critical as Gobert to last year's run, but if he manages to continue that Steph Curry impersonation he was doing last year, the Jazz are going to lock him up. He's happy, we're happy, fan's are happy, and the club is winning. Do what works.

Edit: Sorry, forgot the boy band potential between him, Niang, and Neto. Cut him in for some of the merch revenue and he'll be good.
 
LoPo said:
I agree with what you are saying @MDAV28. My personal opinion is that we aren't going to let Favors and Rubio go. So we won't have much cap space anyway. If that's the case, get an asset now.

And I'm not talking about going after a Parsons deal anyway. I'm talking about a minor deal like adding Dellie's $9.6. If we can get into the mid-teens from the mid-20's in 2020 because we took Dellie now, it could be a good trade chip or draft pick at a time when we are gonna start aging in the post.

I just refuse to believe that Rubio and Favors are going anywhere. I mean, check this out:

We are just going to cut him or Rubio next summer to sign a guy like Middleton?

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Your order of operations is what is mixing you up. The Jazz will pursue a star and if none bite, then they will guarantee Faves and figure out Rubio, not vice-versa.

Just consider this free agency period. I'm sure the Jazz reached out to the big names agents and that wasn't reported because there was no interest. But we did hear about Mitchell publicly recruiting PG, which of course the Jazz would have to be OK with. If PG were to sign here, Faves would have been gone. It's the same situation the next 2 offseaons while Mitch is on his rookie deal.

You are probably right that the Jazz are going to keep Favors and re-up Rubio, but that's plan B.
 
MDAV28 said:
Your order of operations is what is mixing you up. The Jazz will pursue a star and if none bite, then they will guarantee Faves and figure out Rubio, not vice-versa.

Just consider this free agency period. I'm sure the Jazz reached out to the big names agents and that wasn't reported because there was no interest. But we did hear about Mitchell publicly recruiting PG, which of course the Jazz would have to be OK with. If PG were to sign here, Faves would have been gone. It's the same situation the next 2 offseaons while Mitch is on his rookie deal.

You are probably right that the Jazz are going to keep Favors and re-up Rubio, but that's plan B.
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Well said. The Jazz FO has built in flexibility for a reason. They will see if they can find a way to use it. Obviously we learn a whole bunch this year based upon how folks perform. IMO, the decision on Rubio is still yet to be determined. If he plays the way he did the end of last year he is a keeper. If not, we have assets that make more sense.
 
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Favors>Millsap. And he's younger. And he's STILL improving. And he's a helluva lot cheaper.

I'd take Tobias but not for Favors. G-F-T would be a great big man rotation that could fill up all 96 minutes. Add in Udoh, Thabo and Jae for depth and Utah could lower the bigs' minutes all season and keep them healthy.

Exum, draft pick, filler for Tobias.

Rubio, Neto, Allen
DM, Ingles, Burks
Ingles, O'Neale, Thabo, Jae
Favors(16), Harris(20), Thabo, Jae (12 combined minutes)
Gobert (30) Favors(10), Udoh (8)

2 roster spots open to solidify the shooting guard position.
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How are you okay with trading for Tobias and then giving him 20 minutes a game? Lol
 
LoPo said:
We are just going to cut him or Rubio next summer to sign a guy like Middleton?

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Maybe not. But what if it was a guy like butler or Klay? I think the answer would be a definitive yes.
 
MDAV28 said:
Your order of operations is what is mixing you up. The Jazz will pursue a star and if none bite, then they will guarantee Faves and figure out Rubio, not vice-versa.

Just consider this free agency period. I'm sure the Jazz reached out to the big names agents and that wasn't reported because there was no interest. But we did hear about Mitchell publicly recruiting PG, which of course the Jazz would have to be OK with. If PG were to sign here, Faves would have been gone. It's the same situation the next 2 offseaons while Mitch is on his rookie deal.

You are probably right that the Jazz are going to keep Favors and re-up Rubio, but that's plan B.
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This.
Jazz are killing it right now in almost every way. A big name SHOULD want to come here next summer. Whether they actually will or not is uncertain. Glad we have the max contract money available to find out though.
 
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