Fall 2018 General Conference Thread

[NAOS]

But the second a Democrat complains on this site about Amazon you'll have a problem with it... Is that what you're saying?

No. But I guess you're getting a little closer.

If so it seems like you are splitting hairs because your original point got called out for the trash argument it clearly was.

Keep jumping to this spot, though. It's where you want to get, and you gotta keep trying to get there.

 

[Zombie]

Lol at Zombie thinking Naos is conservative.

When did I say that?

 

[Zombie]

No. But I guess you're getting a little closer.


Keep jumping to this spot, though. It's where you want to get, and you gotta keep trying to get there.

Oh and I meant to say a Democrat who is an Amazon customer in my last post. Sorry.

OK so going off of this post:
Complaining about the money the LDS institution puts into politics you don't support while you (a) play some role in giving them money, and (b) wall yourself off from ever having any influence on where that money goes is dumb and hypocritical.
my scenario fulfills (a) because I would be complaining about something they are doing that is contrary to my politics, and (b) because I have no way of having any say in how they spend their money unless, I dunno, become a shareholder or something.

 

[RandyForRubio]

When did I say that?

Look bub. We’ve established this. I say you did it, you did it.

Fin.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I believe all NAOS is looking for here is for people to self-reflect.

 

[infection]

Well the constitution and the IRS disagree with you.

The term separation of church and state is a reference to the first amendment, which simply states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That's literally the only thing in the constitution addressing religion or church.

With regard to the IRS, you're just talking about tax-exempt status, which really doesn't pertain here. In any case, there are many tax-exempt entities that get involved with politics. Planned Parenthood, for instance. Not only are they tax-exempt, they're taxpayer funded.

 

[cowhide]

I do think that is the heart of the issue. Mormons think of themselves as Christians, and most Christian religions think of Mormon beliefs to be antithetical to historic Christian orthodoxy. These other religions have used the term Mormon as a derogatory term.

Other Christians believe that Joseph Smith was a con man that "translated" the book of Mormon using magic stones in a hat in the same way that he tricked farmers out of money in upstate New York by "glass looking" to find treasure. Essentially these other Christian religions refuse to expand Christianity to mean those who have rejected orthodox Christian beliefs for what they believe is a nineteenth-century made up, heretical theology.

I personally think the Mormons should take the advice of Tyrion Lannister:
"Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."

This idea that the outsiders used Mormons as derogatory may be true for some people but how can one not recognize that within the church promoted this term and at many times used it as a way to discuss the Book of Mormon. The church is rebranding themselves because they want to be included in the christianity group. I also believe they are distancing themselves away from Joseph Smith and more towards Jesus.

 

[fallenchicken]

Lol

As an ex-mormon this is this **** I laugh at with today's culture.

Replace mormon with any other religion, race, or everything that's intertwined and?

And dudes are in here questioning why they're wanting to step away from Mormon and focus on Christ.

this is why

 

[JAZZGASM]

This idea that the outsiders used Mormons as derogatory may be true for some people but how can one not recognize that within the church promoted this term and at many times used it as a way to discuss the Book of Mormon. The church is rebranding themselves because they want to be included in the christianity group. I also believe they are distancing themselves away from Joseph Smith and more towards Jesus.

I don't think we are saying anything different. Mormons want to be known as Christians. Using the full name of the LDS Church, and including the term Christ reinforces that in the minds of church leadership. It won't change the mind of other Christians, who believe that the beliefs of Mormons are too divergent from other "actual" Christian religions.

I think Mormons can call each other Mormons, but no one else can.

 

[cowhide]

The term separation of church and state is a reference to the first amendment, which simply states:

That's literally the only thing in the constitution addressing religion or church.

With regard to the IRS, you're just talking about tax-exempt status, which really doesn't pertain here. In any case, there are many tax-exempt entities that get involved with politics. Planned Parenthood, for instance. Not only are they tax-exempt, they're taxpayer funded.

Many churches also receive federal funds. MY point about the constitution is, it isn't just about what the gov't can't do. The constitution keeps the gov't from endorsing a particular religion. So there is protection for religion and from religion and that is what the wall of separation is about. I was never saying that the constitution had separation of church in it. However, if you only protect religious freedom then you have theocracy. The Mormon church paid fines for their involvement in Gay Marriage fight. They crossed the line when they used money to try to defeat the bill. For many non members Utah is as close to as a theocracy as you can get. I know a lot of mormons who don't feel that way because they support the church but if you are in the minority it certainly seems like the church has too much influence on political decisions made in the state. Do I think the mormon church is the only church who does this? Nope, Catholics, evangelicals etc do it. It is a major concern of my when viewing what is going on in this country.

 

[Stoked]

Lol

As an ex-mormon this is this **** I laugh at with today's culture.

Replace mormon with any other religion, race, or everything that's intertwined and?

And dudes are in here questioning why they're wanting to step away from Mormon and focus on Christ.

I haven’t seen a single person question why.

 

[NAOS]

I believe all NAOS is looking for here is for people to self-reflect.

That, and I'm just getting ****ing tired of milquetoast liberals. They never fail to vote, though! There may have even been a rally they attended! They may have even given Bernie $27!