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Fall 2018 General Conference Thread

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Jazz Spazz said:
I think your post shows the reason for the change. The church is Christian in that we believe in and worship God through Jesus Christ as our savior. Many people don’t view members of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS as Christian. They take the name Mormon and think we worship Mormon, or something like that. I don’t have an issue of making sure we keep Christ in the name of the church as we make reference to it, even understanding it can be inconvenient.


Maybe the issue is in the definition of what people view Christian as. It seems as if Christian is used to define a branch of Christianity, as Pentecostals and Calvinists are still Christian, correct?

Why would a member of this church be any different if we also believe in and worship Christ?


The term Mormon did start out from enemies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It did turn into something that was accepted as a descriptor and something easier to say than the long name of the church. I get that the origin of the term was not positive, but saying that I don’t think that should be the main reason to move away from it. The term Christian started out also as a derogatory term used by non Christian people to refer to followers of Christ.


My take away is that the change is being used to clear up confusion of other Christians as well as just other people in understanding who the members of the Church worship, and who is most important in our beliefs. It is not Mormon, or any of the other Book of Mormon prophets. While they are important, they are only important as they point the way to Christ.


The secondary and tertiary reasons for the change are just that, smaller less important reasons to do this that may have flawed foundations on their own.
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I feel you. Thanks.

I view the LDS faith as a kind of subset of Christianity in the same way Catholicism is. I wouldn’t say either is correct, but that’s neither here nor there.
 
colton said:
For what it's worth, to Mormons (ha, I mean "members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints") Mormonism is a subset of Christianity. Not different than Christianity. The fact that you apparently didn't realize that is probably the type of thing that led Pres. Nelson to want to reemphasize the name of the church (which includes the name "Jesus Christ" in it).
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I do think that is the heart of the issue. Mormons think of themselves as Christians, and most Christian religions think of Mormon beliefs to be antithetical to historic Christian orthodoxy. These other religions have used the term Mormon as a derogatory term.

Other Christians believe that Joseph Smith was a con man that "translated" the book of Mormon using magic stones in a hat in the same way that he tricked farmers out of money in upstate New York by "glass looking" to find treasure. Essentially these other Christian religions refuse to expand Christianity to mean those who have rejected orthodox Christian beliefs for what they believe is a nineteenth-century made up, heretical theology.

I personally think the Mormons should take the advice of Tyrion Lannister:
"Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."
 
Bulletproof said:
Okay...
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Thing is I actually do support the church for the most part. Its still a big part of my life in a mostly positive way despite the fact that i dont attend or believe the teachings. Just wish that they would leave the pot alone.... for my own selfish reasons lol.
I guess you have to either support everything about something or nothing at all or there is something wrong with that to certain sad people who seem to have a problem with everything.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think you likely support more unsavory institutions than you realize. I think we all do. You name it. Certain tv stations we watch. Certain food products we buy. Particular medications we take. Our “support” for entities is seemingly endless. And I’m sure you’re as “guilty” of this as fish or anybody else.
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Im a huge jazz fan but didn't always like the politics of larry h miller tbh. Now mock, insult, and laugh at me damn it!

(really doe you should laugh at and mock me because i apparently hit a button on my keyboard that makes everything i type come out in this slanted font style and I dont know how to undo it. Old/computer illiterate people problems lol)
 
I don't think that most Christians are going to consider Mormons as Christian regardless of their name. The LDS Church has doctrine that is different than the accepted Christian tenets. To Mormons, just the fact that they believe in Christ makes them Christian (and they aren't wrong, in my opinion). But this move will not likely mean that the LDS Church is going to be accepted into mainstream Christian circles.

I am really bothered by Nelson's claims: "To remove the Lord's name from the Lord's Church is a major victory for Satan. When we discard the Savior's name, we are subtly disregarding all that Jesus Christ did for us — even His Atonement." “Thus, the name of the Church is not negotiable. When the Savior clearly states what the name of His Church should be, and even precedes His declaration with, 'Thus shall my church be called,’ He is serious. And if we allow nicknames to be used and adopt or even sponsor those nicknames ourselves, He is offended.”

This is why I dislike religion. While this stuff no longer applies to me, it does affect me as it is all around me and I am now judged by my family and friends by these rules.
 
fishonjazz said:
Thing is I actually do support the church for the most part. Its still a big part of my life in a mostly positive way despite the fact that i dont attend or believe the teachings. Just wish that they would leave the pot alone.... for my own selfish reasons lol.
I guess you have to either support everything about something or nothing at all or there is something wrong with that to certain sad people who seem to have a problem with everything.
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Hey fish, that reminds me. I don't think you ever responded to my question for you on Saturday about your opinion on the new medical marijuana bill--
https://jazzfanz.com/threads/fall-2018-general-conference-thread.97351/#post-1652793
colton said:
Maybe this isn't the right thread, but what's your opinion on this bill? https://www.deseretnews.com/article...mpromise-bill-differs-from-proposition-2.html
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