Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

[GVC]

By the time March rolled around, no one expected the Jazz to make the playoffs, but perhaps I stated things too strongly.

Having crunched the numbers for stats against the top 4 Western Conference teams (since I know you only make baseless assertions), he scored at league average efficiency against the top 4 Western Conference teams last season, roughly in line with his post-all-star game numbers.

 

[billyshelby]

By the time March rolled around, no one expected the Jazz to make the playoffs, but perhaps I stated things too strongly.

Having crunched the numbers for stats against the top 4 Western Conference teams (since I know you only make baseless assertions), he scored at league average efficiency against the top 4 Western Conference teams last season, roughly in line with his post-all-star game numbers.

I guess that's the difference when you watch games. The Jazz were actually in the hunt into late March before the meltdown.

Love the way you've steered the argument to "The Top Four Western Conference" playoff teams to try and bolster your point. Like that means anything. Aren't you supposed to be the champion of intellectual honesty?

 

[GVC]

I guess that's the difference when you watch games. The Jazz were actually in the hunt into late March before the meltdown.

Love the way you've steered the argument to "The Top Four Western Conference" playoff teams to try and bolster your point. Like that means anything. Aren't you supposed to be the champion of intellectual honesty?

If you're going to make the claims, you define the terms and crunch the numbers. I know you won't because you never have, and I have better things to do. What the **** does "elite" team mean? I just started at the top of the Western Conference and moved down. I didn't make the choice strategically.

Also, I knew you'd make that dig, instead of resorting to actual evidence. Style over substance rules the day for billy, and even when that fails, he can go to work discrediting anyone who disagrees with him. Shameful.

I only entered this thread because of Zerol's stupid post, followed by his stupid follow up. I wasn't bashing Jefferson, only pointing out how flawed his statements were (re: Millsap's performance v. Jefferson's performance). Like everyone, I want the Jazz to win, and if Jefferson is the best player to help them do that, I'm on board. We'll see.

 

[billyshelby]

If you're going to make the claims, you define the terms and crunch the numbers. I know you won;t because you never have, and I have better things to do. What the **** does "elite" team mean? I just started at the top of the Western Conference and moved down. I didn't make the choice strategically.

Do you really want to debate how good or not good Al was during February and March? I'm all ears if you want to explain a guy who averaged 24 and 11 for 2 months only got his numbers against crappy competition in games that didn't matter. That seems to be your point. And it's not very intellectually honest.

 

[GVC]

I'm all ears if you want to explain a guy who averaged 24 and 11 for 2 months only got his numbers against crappy competition in games that didn't matter. That seems to be your point. And it's not very intellectually honest.

I've never said anything remotely like that. If you think that's my point, there's no point discussing anything with you, as you obviously have a serious reading comprehension problem.

Just because I challenge someone else's point, doesn't mean I'm asserting that the exact opposite is true. You seem too daft to pick up on these nuances. Instead of throwing **** around when someone challenges you, why not try to back up your claims? Intellectual honesty...

 

[billyshelby]

I've never said anything remotely like that. If you think that's my point, there's no point discussing anything with you, as you obviously have a serious reading comprehension problem.

You said: The games Al played well in weren't as meaningful as the early games when he played poorly. You've disregarded the phenomenal stretch of games he had in February and March on the grounds he was "Something" against the "Top Four Western Conference Teams." You're asking ME to back up my claims that 24 and 11, with dominant efforts against teams like Chicago, Boston, OKC, and Dallas (just to name a few) to back my claims up.

Do you really not get how idiotic you sound? Is it so hard for you to admit that Al was dominant for two months, but you don't believe he can do that for a whole season? We could argue about that (and we have.) But I can't figure out how to argue with someone who claims Al's performance in February and March wasn't fantastic. I saw it with my own eyes. He was a force. You dream about having players who can do what he did during that stretch.

 

[GVC]

You said: The games Al played well in weren't as meaningful as the early games when he played poorly. You've disregarded the phenomenal stretch of games he had in February and March on the grounds he was "Something" against the "Top Four Western Conference Teams." You're asking ME to back up my claims that 24 and 11, with dominant efforts against teams like Chicago, Boston, OKC, and Dallas (just to name a few) to back my claims up.

Do you really not get how idiotic you sound? Is it so hard for you to admit that Al was dominant for two months, but you don't believe he can do that for a whole season? We could argue about that (and we have.) But I can't figure out how to argue with someone who claims Al's performance in February and March wasn't fantastic. I saw it with my own eyes. He was a force. You dream about having players who can do what he did during that stretch.

I never made any claim about Jefferson's absolute performance. Go ahead and read my posts in this thread. The only reason I brought up the top 4 Western Conference teams was because you and Zerol mentioned his performance against "elite" teams. I wasn't going out of my way to discredit Al's performance in the least. I was just pointing out that he wasn't so amazingly better than Millsap, as Zerol was claiming.

Read my posts in this thread again. You're reading stuff that just isn't there. Consider the possibility that you're the idiot.

And, again, league average true shooting post-All-Star break is not "dominant". For a volume shooter who doesn't turn the ball over on a team with **** on the perimeter, it's pretty good, but not dominant.

 

[billyshelby]

I never made any claim about Jefferson's absolute performance. Go ahead and read my posts in this thread. The only reason I brought up the top 4 Western Conference teams was because you and Zerol mentioned his performance against "elite" teams. I wasn't going out of my way to discredit Al's performance in the lease, just point out that he wasn't so amazingly better than Millsap as Zerol was claiming.

Read my posts in this thread again. You're reading stuff that just isn't there. Consider the possibility that you're the idiot.

I don't have to. You said Al's games might not have been meaningful since they happened in the "late season." I'm guessing anyone can look up Al's performance against great teams during that 2 month stretch and see that he was dominant. I'm also guessing everyone can read your ludicrous posts in this thread as well as I can. If you think your own posts are going to defend you, you need intellectually honest therapy.

 

[GVC]

I admitted that I overstated. I've chosen not to continue to harp on the mistake I pointed out that you made in this thread. Unfortunately, you're too much of an *** to extend the same respect to me. Typical.

 

[billyshelby]

I never made any claim about Jefferson's absolute performance. Go ahead and read my posts in this thread. The only reason I brought up the top 4 Western Conference teams was because you and Zerol mentioned his performance against "elite" teams. I wasn't going out of my way to discredit Al's performance in the least. I was just pointing out that he wasn't so amazingly better than Millsap, as Zerol was claiming.

Read my posts in this thread again. You're reading stuff that just isn't there. Consider the possibility that you're the idiot.

And, again, league average true shooting post-All-Star break is not "dominant". For a volume shooter who doesn't turn the ball over on a team with **** on the perimeter, it's pretty good, but not dominant.

It's hilarious the way you constantly add on to your posts. For what it's worth, I'm guessing Al's TS% during those two months was amongst the top at his position. I know that blows your mind.

 

[billyshelby]

I admitted that I overstated. I've chosen not to continue to harp on the mistake I pointed out that you made in this thread. Unfortunately, you're too much of an *** to extend the same respect to me. Typical.

Where did you admit you overstated? Was that in one of your famous addendums that I missed?

 

[GVC]

It's hilarious the way you constantly add on to your posts. For what it's worth, I'm guessing Al's TS% during those two months was amongst the top at his position. I know that blows your mind.

I don't see anything hilarious about it. And no, I doubt it would rank in the top 10 among big men (it might crack the top 20). Millsap's was a lot better, for example.