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Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

GVC said:
I don't see anything hilarious about it. And no, I doubt it would rank in the top 10 among big men (it might crack the top 20). Millsap's was a lot better, for example.
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You "doubt" a guy who averaged 24 points on 54% shooting for 2 months would have cracked the top 10 during that stretch. My intellectually honest radar is screaming at me right now.
 
GVC said:
Right there, moron.
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Uh, I watched last season. The Jazz were in the hunt. Even if they weren't, 3/4 of the teams they were playing were. Those teams cared. They were jockeying for position. So they weren't about to let Al have his way in a truly meaningless game. The last 2 weeks were meaningless AFTER the Jazz collapsed.
 
billyshelby said:
You "doubt" a guy who averaged 24 points on 54% shooting for 2 months would have cracked the top 10 during that stretch. My intellectually honest radar is screaming at me right now.
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Lots of big men shoot that percentage AND get to the line (recall, we're talking about TS here). Go ahead and crunch the numbers. Narrow it down to big men who scored better than 15, doesn't matter. This isn't about intellectual honesty, this is a matter of fact. I may be wrong, but I've looked at a lot of the data (whereas you've looked at virtually none), and I'm basing my doubt off my recollection of that data.
 
billyshelby said:
Uh, I watched last season. The Jazz were in the hunt. Even if they weren't, 3/4 of the teams they were playing were. Those teams cared. They were jockeying for position. So they weren't about to let Al have his way in a truly meaningless game. The last 2 weeks were meaningless AFTER the Jazz collapsed.
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The Jazz were two games over .500 and were reeling. Did you really expect the Jazz to make the playoffs at that point? You know, since I made no claim about whether or not they were "in the hunt" in the post you quoted.

Again, I said I overstated in that very post. Why you're returning to the games being meaningful, I don't know. I conceded that point a long time ago.
 
GVC said:
Lots of big men shoot that percentage AND get to the line (recall, we're talking about TS here). Go ahead and crunch the numbers. Narrow it down to big men who scored better than 15, doesn't matter. This isn't about intellectual honesty, this is a matter of fact. I may be wrong, but I've looked at a lot of the data (whereas you've looked at virtually none), and I'm basing my doubt off my recollection of that data.
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Well, it's comforting to know you're basing your assumptions on your "recollection" of data. But my intellectually honest radar still pings when you assume that a guy shooting 54 percent, without checking his line numbers, or comparing them to others, would turn out worse than top 10. Al was probably top 5 in every statistic during that stretch. You could admit that, but then you can't ever be wrong.
 
GVC said:
The Jazz were two games over .500 and were reeling. Did you really expect the Jazz to make the playoffs at that point? You know, since I made no claim about whether or not they were "in the hunt" in the post you quoted.
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Do you think the Jazz played like they didn't expect to make the playoffs? What does your opinion or my opinion of their chances have to do with anything? I watched the games. They cared. So did the teams they were playing against.
 
billyshelby said:
Well, it's comforting to know you're basing your assumptions on your "recollection" of data. But my intellectually honest radar still pings when you assume that a guy shooting 54 percent, without checking his line numbers, or comparing them to others, would turn out worse than top 10. Al was probably top 5 in every statistic during that stretch. You could admit that, but then you can't ever be wrong.
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I was talking specifically about TS%. Your intellectual honesty radar has been broken for a long time (probably since the third time you said "this is CJ's year"). Go ahead and crunch the numbers if you think I'm wrong.
 
GVC said:
I was talking specifically about TS%. Your intellectual honesty radar has been broken for a long time (probably since the third time you said "this is CJ's year"). Go ahead and crunch the numbers if you think I'm wrong.
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I'm waiting for your data. I said Al's TS% during his two month stretch when he was dominant was top 5. Show me that he wasn't. For that matter, explain to me how a guy shooting 54%, averaging 24 and 11 with almost 2 blocks could possibly be a detriment to any team.
 
Among the big men (I've omitted some who also shot better. Tyson Chandler and Joakim Noah, for example, since their offense is all garbage buckets) who had a better true shooting percentage for the entire season than Big Al had for his best two month stretch (.565) are:

Nene
Dwight
Dirk
Andrew Bynum
Kevin Love
Pau
Odom
Al Horford
Emeka
Paul Millsap
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Amare

That's 13 players who scored more efficiently for the entire season than Al did for his best two months.
 
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