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Official Rudy Gobert Trade Ideas Thread

Our team can’t guard anyone, because we’ve purposefully surrounded Rudy with shooters that can’t defend.

I disagree. I don't think that they looked at players to acquire and were like "well that guys a great shooter but his defense is too good so we don't want him"

I think they would prefer great shooters who are also great defenders but that they are harder to come by.

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I hate to say it (I love Rudy) but this might be true. We need a PF or center who can score besides dunking it too. I still can’t believe we drafted exum over embiid
How does this 4 who can play outside stop the Clippers from driving to the basket on every play?

Play after play, I saw Jackson, Bradley, etc. drive into the center of our defense and Gobert came over to cover. On the other side of the court, our drivers have trouble penetrating against single coverage, so the Clippers didn't need someone at the rim. If you swap Gobert/Favors for Morris/Batum, we lose those games by even more.

We were still scoring over 115 points per game. We needed better defense.
 
Our team can’t guard anyone, because we’ve purposefully surrounded Rudy with shooters that can’t defend.
Any athletically gifted person can defend. If the likes of O'Neale and 2-years-ago Ingles can defend, then so can Clarkson and Mitchell. It's a matter of will, not ability.
 
If we keep Gobert, it is important to surround him with the right pieces. He is not good enough to play with just anyone, but can absolutely be elite if playing with the right players.

Gobert can be a very impactful offensive player, but needs to play with someone that can deliver him the ball precisely. That’s the reason Conley and Gobert’s minutes were matched in the regular season. If Conley comes back the Jazz need to invest in a backup guard with highly accurate passing to fill in when Conley is hurt. Even better if that guard can defend as well.

The Jazz also need a secondary rim protector/rebounder. Ideally, it is someone that can play alongside Gobert and backup 5 as well. The Jazz do not need to go small to match small lineups, they just need someone other than Gobert to be capable of playing help defense. Better perimeter defense would help as well, but not as important.

Those two pieces do not have to be superstars. A backup guard and a secondary rim protector with athleticism. If you add those pieces, perhaps in replacement of Favors and Ingles, you should still have a good offensive team that is more versatile on defense.

If Conley leaves, you need another point guard that can get Rudy the ball. If you can’t get that it is time to think about trading him.
 
In the general public, sure. These are professional athletes. If they didn't already have a decent amount of will power, they wouldn't be in the NBA at all.
Uhh, they got the ability to score or do other things. Being locked in on defense isnt just a thing you can flip a switch on.
 
In the general public, sure. These are professional athletes. If they didn't already have a decent amount of will power, they wouldn't be in the NBA at all.
Plenty of people get to the NBA level without ever needing to lock in consistently on defense.
 
Any athletically gifted person can defend. If the likes of O'Neale and 2-years-ago Ingles can defend, then so can Clarkson and Mitchell. It's a matter of will, not ability.
To a point. Niang has the will but he doesn't have the agility or speed to even match up with a player like Mann. Both undrafted or late 2nds and end of bench players. One had career games, the other was played off the floor.

And Ingles is losing more than a few steps. His defense was pretty shoddy largely because it was obvious he couldn't keep up.
 
You seemed to be disagreeing with Cy's take that the will to play consistent defense is an ability.
Will(power) is not an ability, it's an attribute. Certainly some people have more than others. In todays NBA, everyone has a lot of will.

However, I think Cy (and you) have misunderstood "will" or confused it with "habit". You use will to cultivate habits, among other things. You'll notice I agreed you can't just turn it off and on.
 
To a point. Niang has the will but he doesn't have the agility or speed to even match up with a player like Mann. Both undrafted or late 2nds and end of bench players. One had career games, the other was played off the floor.

And Ingles is losing more than a few steps. His defense was pretty shoddy largely because it was obvious he couldn't keep up.
I completely agree.
 
Goberts problem is that he doesnt have any sort of game offensively. He literally doesnt have a single move and can only score off of lobs and wide open dunks. He is also very clumsy with the ball and doesnt have good hands. If he bothered to learn a move or two all these years hes been in the league, he is big enough and athletic enough to abuse any small lineup. But since he is so limited offensively and can be guarded by a traffic cone, all the opposing team has to do is find a strategy to try and limit his defensive impact which Clippers managed to do very well. Goberts lack of offense is what allows small ball to be so effective against this Jazz team. If you add to that a fact that Mike Conley ( who is an all star caliber PG when hes at his best) was injured and that coach Snyder (who is supposed to be one of the best coaches in the league) was terrible at making adjustments while coach Lue (who for some reason is a laughing stock) made adjustments brilliantly and you get 4 wins in a row for LAC. Jazz can change rest of their roster as much as they want, get more athletic wings, better defenders, whatever... but similarly to Simmons, unless Gobert improves his game offensively he will always be a liability that can be taken advantage of in the playoffs. There is no room for players who completely lack any sort of offensive skillset in the modern basketball which is all about offense.
 
Goberts problem is that he doesnt have any sort of game offensively.
How would Gobert having an additional offensive repertoire have prevented Jackson/George/Beverly/etc. from getting to the hoop at will?

But since he is so limited offensively and can be guarded by a traffic cone,
Defensively, they limited Gobert by denying passing lanes to the ball-handler. How does an additional offensive repertoire change that?

Goberts lack of offense is what allows small ball to be so effective against this Jazz team.
When we go small, other types drive to the hoop at will. Why can't we do the same when the Clippers go small? What did they do, that we don't?
 
How would Gobert having an additional offensive repertoire have prevented Jackson/George/Beverly/etc. from getting to the hoop at will?


Defensively, they limited Gobert by denying passing lanes to the ball-handler. How does an additional offensive repertoire change that?


When we go small, other types drive to the hoop at will. Why can't we do the same when the Clippers go small? What did they do, that we don't?
Gobert is a big strong athletic guy with huge wingspan. And he uses that to play great defense and hes won 3 DPOY. If he could use that to make an impact on the offensive end Jazz would be a completely different team. So he doesnt have to be Hakeem or Jokić, all he needs to do is be able to post up and abuse smaller guys (you know like every other big man in the league can do). That wouldnt prevent Jackson/George/Beverly/etc. from getting to the hoop at will, but that would mean that going small against the Jazz means youre giving up dunk/layup, easy basket every single defensive possesion and Gobert would look like Shaq against small lineups if only he could use his size to his advantage on the offensive end like he uses it on the defensive end. Then opposing coaches would think twice about going small because that would mean they are for certain giving up ******** of easy baskets on the defensive end and effectiveness of their small lineup becomes very questionable. Since Gobert cant do that and can be guarded by almost any player big or small hes a non factor on the offensive end, going small and limiting his defensive impact is always gonna look like a great idea and small lineup will always be the best strategy for beating Jazz if they have Gobert playing the way he has so far, regardless of who the other players on the Jazz roster are
 
How would Gobert having an additional offensive repertoire have prevented Jackson/George/Beverly/etc. from getting to the hoop at will?

The way to get the other team to stop playing small is to punish them with your big guy on the offensive end. Unfortunately Gobert's never been able to punish teams for defending him with smaller players because he's so limited offensively.
 
How would Gobert having an additional offensive repertoire have prevented Jackson/George/Beverly/etc. from getting to the hoop at will?


Defensively, they limited Gobert by denying passing lanes to the ball-handler. How does an additional offensive repertoire change that?


When we go small, other types drive to the hoop at will. Why can't we do the same when the Clippers go small? What did they do, that we don't?

The way to get the other team to stop playing small is to punish them with your big guy on the offensive end. Unfortunately Gobert's never been able to punish teams for defending him with smaller players because he's so limited offensively.
I mean we are literally seeing it in the Suns series. Ty is afraid to go small with Ayton. Having Zubac out there means Rudy gets to be involved at the rim without being punished by wide *** open corner threes.
 
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