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That’s a rather sweeping and non specific statement
Does it need to be? Information on the subject is quite pervasive. Unless you have a vaccine allergy or medical history with Guillan-Barre, the vaccine is a no-brainer except for those without brains.

I've been very specific in other posts. Besides death, lung damage, stroke risk (wife has had multiple patients eith covid related strokes which led to loss of language/aphasia and lack of mobility) brain damage, etc.


www.nationalgeographic.com
Vaccines are highly unlikely to cause side effects long after getting the shot

https://www.usnews.com › articles
How to Talk to Someone Who's Hesitant to Get the COVID-19 Vaccine - USNews.com
 
Is this data from the beginning of the pandemic, or specifically delta?

Because delta has a significantly higher rate of infection in kids. Look at Florida’s numbers by age. Delta is hitting young unvaxxed hard.

The chart worth particular attention in your linked PDF is on page 8.
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Since the pandemic began, in Florida there have been 42,252 COVID deaths. Of that number, only 11 of them are among those aged under 16. That means over 99.97% of COVID deaths in Florida are among those aged 16 and over. Less than 0.003% of COVID deaths are from the under-16 demographic. Florida was even nice enough to calculate the COVID mortality per 100k population in the last column. You can see it is 0.3 per 100k.

Now take a look at the Influenza mortality per 100k population from the 2018-2019 flu season.
Flu-Mortality.jpg

I want to be absolutely clear that I am not saying SARS-CoV-2 is just like the Flu or just like the common cold. It clearly is not. That said, a kid who catches COVID today is statistically safer than a kid who caught influenza during the 2018-2019 flu season. The kids are safe. Kids are in no more danger today than they've ever been. They aren't immune to COVID. They can still catch it but it is like catching a cold. They get it. They get over it. They then have at least some immunity to it. This pandemic isn't about kids.
 
If only there were exclusively under 18 years old people in schools. Unfortunately there are a bunch of adults in schools as well. Janitors, teachers, administrators, etc.
Plus those under 18 year olds come home and have family members who are over 18. So its not a total nothing burger for kids to get covid when you look at the bigger picture.
And again. Im on the side that thinks there shouldn't be mask mandates in schools. But I do have the ability to understand the reasoning behind worring about kids getting covid.
I completely respect your opinion. I know you have kids just like I do. As for the adult educators, administrators, and support staff, that is why I’m so pro-vaccine. The mortality statistics for those fully vaccinated and younger than retirement age are pretty good.

I would also add that if my daughter was one of those 10 kids who died from covid then I would be pretty damn upset about it.
I don't even want to imagine that as a hypothetical. I'll just point out that in Utah, the number of 14-and-under kids isn't 10. It is 1. For the entire pandemic there has been only 1 kid under the age of 15 who has died. I linked the haunting chart in this thread a couple pages back and you can see the one young kid. I want nothing but the best for both of our kids and for all other kids too.
 
The chart worth particular attention in your linked PDF is on page 8.
Florida-Covid.jpg

Since the pandemic began, in Florida there have been 42,252 COVID deaths. Of that number, only 11 of them are among those aged under 16. That means over 99.97% of COVID deaths in Florida are among those aged 16 and over. Less than 0.003% of COVID deaths are from the under-16 demographic. Florida was even nice enough to calculate the COVID mortality per 100k population in the last column. You can see it is 0.3 per 100k.

Now take a look at the Influenza mortality per 100k population from the 2018-2019 flu season.
Flu-Mortality.jpg

I want to be absolutely clear that I am not saying SARS-CoV-2 is just like the Flu or just like the common cold. It clearly is not. That said, a kid who catches COVID today is statistically safer than a kid who caught influenza during the 2018-2019 flu season. The kids are safe. Kids are in no more danger today than they've ever been. They aren't immune to COVID. They can still catch it but it is like catching a cold. They get it. They get over it. They then have at least some immunity to it. This pandemic isn't about kids.
The scary thing are the side effects which can linger. I haven't seen any studies that break out the % of kids/adults that have severe long-term effects from covid. And while it is clear the vaccine helps lessen side effects, how much is not fully understood at this stage.

Kids are having very different experiences tham non-pandemic kids. It is affecting their learning, social interaction and more. We've done everything to weigh our kids mental and physical health as we navigate through this crap. Part of the situatiin with fewer kids getting sick is many parents were isolating their kids, or they have been in protected environments. Delta is infecting everyone, including kids at a much higher rate. Children are going to the hospital for covid now more than ever.
 
Does it need to be? Information on the subject is quite pervasive. Unless you have a vaccine allergy or medical history with Guillan-Barre, the vaccine is a no-brainer except for those without brains.

I've been very specific in other posts. Besides death, lung damage, stroke risk (wife has had multiple patients eith covid related strokes which led to loss of language/aphasia and lack of mobility) brain damage, etc.


www.nationalgeographic.com
Vaccines are highly unlikely to cause side effects long after getting the shot

https://www.usnews.com › articles
How to Talk to Someone Who's Hesitant to Get the COVID-19 Vaccine - USNews.com

sure I'm more getting at the effects on kids specifically and "long term" Don't get me wrong i'm not anti vax but i think vaccinating kids is dubious at best and insane at worst.
 
sure I'm more getting at the effects on kids specifically and "long term" Don't get me wrong i'm not anti vax but i think vaccinating kids is dubious at best and insane at worst.
Kids have been going through the same trials adulds have and the "effective dosage" about to be approved for kids under 12 is 1/3 of adults, and so far all indications show this dosage to be very safe at these levels. Right now over 96% of doctors have the vaccine. The few medical professionals I know personally that don't I would not have trusted to treat me before the pandemic. I think we'll see similar percentage of these same medical professionals children getting the vaccine. We already know that similar mRNA vaccines have been used for certain cancers (in small trials), including children, that started over a decade ago, with no indcated long-term side effects.

My wife is currently treating more patients with covid at her hospital right now since this started, and her hospital has one of the top infectious disease wards in the country, and received the highest # of covid patients when the pandemic started. She currently has the largest caseload of people under 30 (she does not see childen). She's had multiple young patient get Covid related blood clots which have caused strokes. This is a common phenomenon, but one that has not seen many headlines, although there is clear data on it with a quick search online.

For me, again, it isn't just about death of kids, which is of course a scary proposition. So far, the death rate in kids is very low (indirect deaths from Covid due to stroke, etc. often aren't attributed as Covid deaths, which lead to undercounting the death rate too), but all of the potential side effects, which a vaccine can attenuate, will be the main reason my kids will get vaccinated.

Kids under 12 are also approximately 22% of our population, and are germ factories. If we want to get to an effective level of vaccinated for herd immunity, it is going to have to include vaccine availability to our entire population.

With anything medical related, if you have doubts, look at what the majority of the medical community is doing to help guide your decision.
 
Kids have been going through the same trials adulds have and the "effective dosage" about to be approved for kids under 12 is 1/3 of adults, and so far all indications show this dosage to be very safe at these levels. Right now over 96% of doctors have the vaccine. The few medical professionals I know personally that don't I would not have trusted to treat me before the pandemic. I think we'll see similar percentage of these same medical professionals children getting the vaccine. We already know that similar mRNA vaccines have been used for certain cancers (in small trials), including children, that started over a decade ago, with no indcated long-term side effects.

My wife is currently treating more patients with covid at her hospital right now since this started, and her hospital has one of the top infectious disease wards in the country, and received the highest # of covid patients when the pandemic started. She currently has the largest caseload of people under 30 (she does not see childen). She's had multiple young patient get Covid related blood clots which have caused strokes. This is a common phenomenon, but one that has not seen many headlines, although there is clear data on it with a quick search online.

For me, again, it isn't just about death of kids, which is of course a scary proposition. So far, the death rate in kids is very low (indirect deaths from Covid due to stroke, etc. often aren't attributed as Covid deaths, which lead to undercounting the death rate too), but all of the potential side effects, which a vaccine can attenuate, will be the main reason my kids will get vaccinated.

Kids under 12 are also approximately 22% of our population, and are germ factories. If we want to get to an effective level of vaccinated for herd immunity, it is going to have to include vaccine availability to our entire population.

With anything medical related, if you have doubts, look at what the majority of the medical community is doing to help guide your decision.

nice info What's the correlation with health status and symptomatic cases in younger people ? ie cardiovascular disease, obesity, other serious conditions ?
 
The chart worth particular attention in your linked PDF is on page 8.
Florida-Covid.jpg

Since the pandemic began, in Florida there have been 42,252 COVID deaths. Of that number, only 11 of them are among those aged under 16. That means over 99.97% of COVID deaths in Florida are among those aged 16 and over. Less than 0.003% of COVID deaths are from the under-16 demographic. Florida was even nice enough to calculate the COVID mortality per 100k population in the last column. You can see it is 0.3 per 100k.

Now take a look at the Influenza mortality per 100k population from the 2018-2019 flu season.
Flu-Mortality.jpg

I want to be absolutely clear that I am not saying SARS-CoV-2 is just like the Flu or just like the common cold. It clearly is not. That said, a kid who catches COVID today is statistically safer than a kid who caught influenza during the 2018-2019 flu season. The kids are safe. Kids are in no more danger today than they've ever been. They aren't immune to COVID. They can still catch it but it is like catching a cold. They get it. They get over it. They then have at least some immunity to it. This pandemic isn't about kids.

Again you’re looking at cumulative data, these numbers represent cases and deaths from the original strain and delta. Delta is another animal and the dominant strain. Go back one page to page 7 and look at the weekly numbers.

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These data show the increase in cases in young people, especially kids aged 12-19 and young adults 30-39. Older folks have higher vaccination rates and have seen cases flatline.

We don’t have weekly death rates for kids, but we will.

Doctors have been warning us for weeks, including pediatric infectious disease expert, Dr. Mark Kline, heading Louisiana’s COVID response related to child infections.




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This is a good thing to keep In mind. Most Americans support masks and vaccinations. Most care about the collective good. Yes, there are some anti intellectual Trumpers out there screaming about freedom and comparing masking to the Holocaust at school board meetings. But they’re in the minority.
 
The county which Trump held his rally in had declared shortly before the rally a state of emergency. I bet last night is going to really help things.

 
Good job trump for encouraging your flock to get vaccinated at a really.
Not so good job by trump of getting military advise from a 5 year old and thinking it means something.
He got booed saying it. Which means he’s never going to say it again. They’ve been fed anti intellectualism and anger at the majority for so long, that not even their god can convince them to take covid seriously and to get vaccinated.

I think Frankenstein has lost control of his monster.
 
Headline more or less gives away the argument. Personally, I have found myself speculating that much of the backlash against both the vaccination, and the masking, is from a large swath of America that simply does not like the America they see, be it though glasses darkly, or not. These are people who have no intention of doing anything to help an America they have come to hate and feel alienated from. It’s as if so many of these people must be thinking “not my United States. Screw these liberals. They can rot in Hell before I lift a finger to help my enemy”.

 
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