jazzVA
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“I think Frankenstein has lost control of his monster.” — That’s what I said about the GOP in 2016.
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“I think Frankenstein has lost control of his monster.” — That’s what I said about the GOP in 2016.
The Thriller
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And you were damn right. Now, how do we kill the monster or contain it before it destroys American democracy?
Al-O-Meter
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I know you think that but why? Why do you think there will be weekly death rates for kids?
Is it because you see a rise in case rate, remember that similar rises have been proceeded by a rise in the death statistics among adults, and think that must translate exactly the same to children? It doesn’t in the data I've seen. I’ve shown you all the data. Your own sources show you the data. This virus does not have the same effect on children as it does on middle aged adults.
We have data on COVID and on the Delta variant. We don’t have to read only to page 6, ignore the data on page 8, and instead conjure a fantasy of weekly death rates in the future. We have a window on the future in the data out of the UK. They got hit by the Delta variant 60 days before we did. The Delta wave peaked and burned out without ever spiking the mortality rate in children, who just like US children are not vaccinated.
Covid: Children's extremely low risk confirmed by study
The overall risk of death is around two in a million children, scientists looking at England's data estimate.
www.bbc.com
I've shown statistically that child COVID mortality (including Delta variant) isn't a thing in Utah, Louisiana, Florida, and the UK. Case counts can rise and fall but there is seemingly no trailing rise in the childhood death statistic like there is with the rates in the adult demographics. It is possible I've missed something, so please tell me why you believe we will have weekly death rates for kids.
The Thriller
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I’ve often wondered if part of the problem with the public not recognizing the dire situation of the pandemic is because the media does such a piss poor job of putting our country in perspective with others. I mean look at this, this is embarrassing:
Yet, red state governors still force school districts to go to school unsafely. They don’t want to give districts and localities the ability to protect themselves. They Sadly, I think the only way these idiots are going to learn is to see massive suffering and death in their states. As this poll tends to show:
Trump states are learning… they’re coming around to the vaccine. It’s too bad that it’s going to cost them a lot more lives than we needed.
Yet, red state governors still force school districts to go to school unsafely. They don’t want to give districts and localities the ability to protect themselves. They Sadly, I think the only way these idiots are going to learn is to see massive suffering and death in their states. As this poll tends to show:
Trump states are learning… they’re coming around to the vaccine. It’s too bad that it’s going to cost them a lot more lives than we needed.
Douchebag K
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yeah despite agree with some of what they were protesting that was really dumb Not helpful
The Thriller
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Live and let live, right anti mask/vaxxers?
**** all of these people. **** them all
**** all of these people. **** them all
Avery
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After reading up on it a bit more, I do think the Pfizer approval will help get some more shots in arms as it sounds like businesses that require vaccination will now have more legal air cover to require it.
I'd still maintain that I don't think anyone that refused to get it before and doesn't have to is still going to be on the sideways, but for those who work for an employer who requires it and losing a good job isn't worth the personal disagreement, it will help.
I'd still maintain that I don't think anyone that refused to get it before and doesn't have to is still going to be on the sideways, but for those who work for an employer who requires it and losing a good job isn't worth the personal disagreement, it will help.
Increase in cases will result in an increase in deaths. Listening to doctors in the current hot spots have been telling us over and over this variant is affecting children at a higher rate. Why does death rate have to be the bar? The virus leaves many with long term issues, parents have sit and wait to see if their kids is going to come out ok, and its affecting families and our health care system and workers. The data I presented shows the increase in cases among the young unvaxxed. Just because death rates haven't spiked or its still not as deadly to young people as it is for olds, doesn't mean the virus is not impacting young people at a greater rate. Yes, their not dying at a huge rate, but all the other affects are having an impact across multiple spectrums. I'm going to post this video again in case you missed it.I know you think that but why? Why do you think there will be weekly death rates for kids?
Is it because you see a rise in case rate, remember that similar rises have been proceeded by a rise in the death statistics among adults, and think that must translate exactly the same to children? It doesn’t in the data I've seen. I’ve shown you all the data. Your own sources show you the data. This virus does not have the same effect on children as it does on middle aged adults.
We have data on COVID and on the Delta variant. We don’t have to read only to page 6, ignore the data on page 8, and instead conjure a fantasy of weekly death rates in the future. We have a window on the future in the data out of the UK. They got hit by the Delta variant 60 days before we did. The Delta wave peaked and burned out without ever spiking the mortality rate in children, who just like US children are not vaccinated.
Covid: Children's extremely low risk confirmed by study
The overall risk of death is around two in a million children, scientists looking at England's data estimate.
I've shown statistically that child COVID mortality (including Delta variant) isn't a thing in Utah, Louisiana, Florida, and the UK. Case counts can rise and fall but there is seemingly no trailing rise in the childhood death statistic like there is with the rates in the adult demographics. It is possible I've missed something, so please tell me why you believe we will have weekly death rates for kids.
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Hard to quantify that really because you have no way of knowing how many people might die due to the kids being a vector of infection. That is the bigger reason for protection in schools. How many kids will go home and infect mom or dad, or grandma and grandpa, and how many of them will die or suffer severe medical issues or infect other people.
For a lot of this the effort is to control vector of infection, not just protect that given demographic.
Al-O-Meter
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Again, I know you think that but when it comes to children why do you think that? Simply repeating it doesn’t make it fact, especially when all of the available data I’ve seen says it isn’t fact. What is your evidentiary support for making this claim?
Yes, this variant is “affecting”, meaning it is making more children test positive than other variants. It doesn’t change the underlying biology of the situation. Delta variant doesn’t make children grow adult densities of ACE2 receptors (why kids are less likely to get infected). Delta variant doesn’t change the number of children who are asymptomatic (coughing and sneezing are the primary vectors for ejecting virus into the atmosphere which is why children are less likely to spread COVID. Asymptomatic children “can” spread COVID but it isn’t close to the R0 of an infected adult).
Death rate is the bar because it is about keeping kids safe, not keeping kids from ever getting sick. The data is very clear that a SARS-CoV-2 infection in a child isn’t unsafe, or at least is more safe than influenza, riding in automobiles, or suicide. Even the long term issues that seem more common in adults are rare and mild in children. The most robust study I’ve read shows that 4 weeks after a positive test only 4.4% have lingering symptoms and by 8 weeks that number drops to 1.7%. Those numbers are admittedly higher than other respiratory illnesses like the common cold and flu, but not a lot higher.
The Lancet Child & Adolescent Health: Long-lasting symptoms from COVID-19 are rare in children, large UK study confirms
Children who develop symptoms of COVID-19 typically get better after six days and the number who experience symptoms beyond four weeks is low (4.4%, 77/1,734), a large UK study published today in The Lancet Child & Adolescent Health journal has confirmed. The study, based on data reported...
www.eurekalert.org
One interesting aspect noted in the study was that children who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and had some symptoms remaining after 4 weeks had on average 2 symptoms while those who had tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 (meaning they had the flu or common cold) but still had symptoms after 4 weeks had on average 5 symptoms. The long-haul kids who caught the flu or common cold were sicker than the long-haul kids who caught COVID.
With children I think we need to take a more holistic view. We can’t obsess on COVID to the exclusion of everything else. There are more things we need to take into account. I did watch the Mark Kline video and don’t dispute anything he said. He is right on the money and he doesn’t say anything to support your assertions of kids dying in the future or developing long haul symptoms. He said kids in the ICU went from 2 to 6 or 7 and he worries about resource allocation. For the last minute of his video he equates COVID to the flu. Kids today are not in any more danger than they have ever been. When it comes to kids, we need to let the data drive the decisions rather than succumbing to flights of paranoia. No one wants the kids to be sick, hurt, or worse, but we need to keep our eyes open to the harm inflicted by the safety measures and how that harm can outweigh the harm we are trying to protect them from. The kids need to be kids.
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Al-O-Meter
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This is a valid concern and the early indications show schools aren't a significant vector of community SARS-CoV-2 infection. Admittedly, I’ve only read one study in the US tackling that issue but with a district comprised of over 90,000 students and full contact tracing they couldn’t find a single instance of a student infecting an adult. They did find 773 cases of community-acquired SARS-CoV-2 infection during their 9 week study with 32 secondary infections but zero from child-to-adult.
Incidence and Secondary Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Infections in Schools
In the first 9 weeks of in-person instruction in North Carolina schools, we found extremely limited within-school secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2, determined by contact tracing.
This is just one study and I’m on the hunt for more data. With all of the contact tracing that has happened since the start of the pandemic I know there exists good data to mine but I haven’t seen the dataset. If you see a paper or article quoting any statistics at all please let me know and I’ll get in contact with the source.
With my local school district, they do have an online option for those parents who do not feel comfortable sending their kids to school. I support that. It is very possible they may have someone elderly or immunocompromised in the home. I like choice. Choice is good. Where I start to put my activist hat on is with the same-size-fits-all mandates that I have hard data showing is not in the best interest of the kids.
MVP
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Wondering where is the one holding sign "Blood of Christ is My Vaccine" is getting it....Is some nutcase selling blood of Christ? After seeing simple water sold for 10$ as vial of Holy Water ( and thousands of idiots buying it) I would not be surprised...
candrew
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MVP
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Sad stories of unvaccinated. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tragedy-deathbed-vaccine-regrets-100817829.html
JazzyFresh
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People truly are stupid. The elites like Obama, AOC, DC Mayors and Pelosi are blatantly showing you mask are pointless yet absolute morons, stupid humans, wanna "shun" people. Look at all that maskless white privilege mask Nazis stay silent about because it's about "shunning" not about reality.
Notice how the brown guy has to wear a mask. Typical left wing slavery thought and racism. Mask for the slaves but not me.
Notice how the brown guy has to wear a mask. Typical left wing slavery thought and racism. Mask for the slaves but not me.
JazzyFresh
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JazzyFresh
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We still letting in hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated immigrants?
Wonder why that's conveniently left out of Yahoos fluff piece? You would think that would've been brought up but we all know it's about spreading hate and fear nothing more.
Wonder why that's conveniently left out of Yahoos fluff piece? You would think that would've been brought up but we all know it's about spreading hate and fear nothing more.
JazzyFresh
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I thought shunning was ok you hypocrite. This is exactly what you grossly have been doing. There is literally zero differenc. This is the type of garbage excuse for a human behavior you've been displaying yet you don't see it. You are no different, both of you are disgusting.
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