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Game Thread Oct 06, 2021 06:30PM MT: Jazz at Mavericks (Preseason)

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MT Steve said:
I'm not sure if Gobert was ever a liability on the floor. He spent his rookie year on a terrible team with a coach who had no clue how to use him.

In his 2nd year he had a humongously positive impact right away and his minutes going up was the main reason the Jazz started winning.
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Doke is just heading into his second season as well, with a better set of hands and better ft% than Rudy had at that juncture.
 
Release the Kraken said:
He dominated Summer League as I recall. He'll be fine, strong and athletic....he just makes a lot of rookie/second year mistakes. I remember when Gobert was a liability on the floor as well and look at him now!
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Its a more chaotic environment... less offensive skill out there obviously... you can dominate by being a large athletic human. Against real nba players that are skilled and smart they can take advantage of a guy that is over reacts. I think he's hanging back a bit to work on this or just not sure where he is supposed to be so he's not playing aggressively. I think he's an nba player but I am not a big fan of taking big unskilled centers in the first round... especially when a franchise cornerstone is basically the absolute ceiling of that type of player. I mean I guess he could have been viewed as the replacement for Rudy at some point but its just a tough way to allocate resources. Especially because you can get Hassan Whiteside, Dwight Howard, Andre Drummond at the minimum.
 
Release the Kraken said:
Doke is just heading into his second season as well, with a better set of hands and better ft% than Rudy had at that juncture.
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He shot 10 FT's lmao. He shot 42% in college and 40% in the G-League.

Gobert might be the best ever at what he does. Doke is horrendous at defending the hoop and defense in general. This isn't a comparison.
 
homeytennis said:
Tony Bradley and Trey Lyles dominated summer league too.
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Personally I think Bradley is more skilled but a horrible athlete. He was skilled enough for many of the experts to say that if he stayed in college longer he’d be a top ten pick, but he’s really one of the worst athletes at the center position. Where as Udoka is some what physically gifted with no skills to speak of.
 
homeytennis said:
Tony Bradley and Trey Lyles dominated summer league too.
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TB didn't dominate... he was okay enough to keep on the roster. Doke was more dominant... and none of it likely matters all that much.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm telling yall... I didn't watch much college basketball... but tuned into Baylor games occasionally to watch Mitchell... always came away more impressed with Butler. Then in the tourney he was just a murderer. I think the kid does winning stuff and just has a game that will help teams win.
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Butler flirted with the NBA draft in 2020. He was considered a late 1st-rd-round pick. In college, he always looked like George Hill offensively, and he definitely has potential as a floor general-type PG. The question at the moment might be his length and his defense. He moves well laterally and has great timing and instincts, he just isn't physically imposing. He's a guy that might be able to bulk up just a bit. That's one thing Chauncey Billups did to become tougher defensively.

Give Butler a year or two to work on his body, and he might have an even bigger impact.
 
The more I look at Malik Fitts, the more impressed I am. His shooting is legit. His size and athleticism are legit. His defensive reactions aren't bad.

He's not just a roster player, I think he's rotational as soon as he picks up the system and playing with the guys.
 
KqWIN said:
He shot 10 FT's lmao. He shot 42% in college and 40% in the G-League.

Gobert might be the best ever at what he does. Doke is horrendous at defending the hoop and defense in general. This isn't a comparison.
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I think Dok is pretty good defensively, but he can only play for 5 mins at a time. After that, his effort level goes to ****. It was all he could do to run up and down the floor last night. During Summer League, Dok played in 5 - 6 minute bursts, and his energy level was good.

A guy who is 280 lbs isn't going to be able to run and play at the pace the Jazz and Mavs played at last night for more than a few minutes at a time. He just gets run off the floor.
 
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