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Conley for Smart is the type trade that both teams look at and understand why it makes sense.

Why for Boston: they need a roster shakeup like we do. Conley upgrades their starting lineup. Brings them poise and leadership. Smart has kind of run his course there.

Why for Utah: we desperately need a dog on the perimeter. We need an edge that's sorely lacking. There are some pretty big savings starting next year (Smart makes $6 million less next year). Since Hernangomez can be an expiring, he could be flipped for more help.

Many people speculate that Smart will get traded, but he isn't eligible for a trade until January 20th. It would be nice to trade Clarkson for Smart, but I don't think Boston goes for that.

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LoPo said:
Conley for Smart is the type trade that both teams look at and understand why it makes sense.

Why for Boston: they need a roster shakeup like we do. Conley upgrades their starting lineup. Brings them poise and leadership. Smart has kind of run his course there.

Why for Utah: we desperately need a dog on the perimeter. We need an edge that's sorely lacking. There are some pretty big savings starting next year (Smart makes $6 million less next year). Since Hernangomez can be an expiring, he could be flipped for more help.

Many people speculate that Smart will get traded, but he isn't eligible for a trade until January 20th. It would be nice to trade Clarkson for Smart, but I don't think Boston goes for that.

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exactly. Mike, Don, and Royce are so soft on defense. If Royce has to stay (jesus christ) then one other option is upgrading the 1. Conley hasn't proven he can even make it through a playoff run yet.
We need some toughness in the starting line up. So soft.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
That rim protection would look sexy though. Maybe you look at this if you move Clarkson and additional pieces for someone to put beside Conley.

One thing I have against Davis is he doesn't always use his size to his advantage. He shoots a lot of jumpers.

I'd rather have Zion, but he's injury prone too.

What do you think about Ingram?
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I have always liked Ingram, but he is prone to disappearing and to being lazy, both on defense and offense. He settles for way too many mid-range jumpers and long 2's and doesn't always give a consistent effort. But if we could add him without breaking the bank I would do it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The flip side is that if the faith is low enough in the team as currently constituted with regard to playoff basketball, one could argue there’s not much to lose by making some serious moves mid-season.
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This. The focus really needs to be on the playoffs. There is really no move, other than moving one of the big 2 (DM, Gobert) for a hodge-podge of crap, that would seriously affect our regular season success, especially if the move was made with an eye on the playoff picture.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t think system is saving this team. Not soon enough anyways. Even if Quin is guilty for molding these defensive habits…we’re too far gone.

I’ve never been one of those guys who talks about needing tough guys or whatever…but I do think getting a player who is a grinder will go a long way. We definitely need some outside influence on this team. Even if we had someone like EG….he’s not a superstar defender…but that guy is tough as hell when it’s time to compete so hopefully that rubs off on guys. Mike, Bogey, Gay, and Joe are all good vets. But they’re also all geezers and can’t bring the toughness to a team anymore.

Rudy alone isn’t enough on the court, but off the court as well. His mentality towards the game needs to be majority. Need that special Heat culture where Butler was welcomed. Instead we have that Timberwolves culture where a Rudy/Butler type obsession is seen as a distraction or too demanding.
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Who is “EG”?
 
Jingles and Clarkson(along with any other bench player) should be shopped aggressively. We should also fire Quin. This team needs a shake up.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do think Donovan has been much better defensively this year and has picked up the steals/deflections a bit. Mike is great at getting in front and has picked up his activity there too... only issue is bigger guards can get in the middle and body him a bit.

Bojan is capable of ramping up his defense when needed maybe not great over a 7 game series but still useful. Royce is solid but needs to pick it way up if he is going to continue to be the "stopper". Gay gives us a secondary rim protector and big rebounding forward. Our small ball has been pitiful and it hasn't helped the offense out at all... which is really the whole point of small ball. Without Hassan and Rudy in the middle the defense is just... yikes.

We still just need a disruptor or "lockdown" perimeter guy. I feel confident on bigger wings but guys like Curry, Booker, Ja, we are going to get cooked. I think Smart is basically the perfect guy to fill the role... I wish we would have snaked Pat Bev away from the Clips this offseason. As annoying as he is he would be amazing for us off the bench and give us the ******* we lack. Forrest has been good on defense but the offense is just too bad... I don't think he's as good as either of those guys on defense and the offense will make him more and more unplayable as the postseason progresses.
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Last year we were 4th defensively. This year we are 12th. But you’re telling me Mike and Don have been better?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think just about the only way we get in on a good deal is sliding in on a 3-4 team trade and snaking a guy like Smart, Melton... I just don't think a first plus Joe is what those teams are looking for... but if it is part of an asset grab for a bigger deal... Dame, Ben Simmons, Grant... then I can see us landing something worthwhile.
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Grant and Cade for Don.

Get er done.
 
Keefe said:
Or is it the system and way they’re taught to defend? “Just funnel players to Rudy/Hassan.” In other words, don’t do ****.
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Both? Chicken and egg kind of thing there.
 
Keefe said:
Last year we were 4th defensively. This year we are 12th. But you’re telling me Mike and Don have been better?
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They have been... Donovan was bad last year... both have been more active with their hands and getting more steals. Royce has been way worse this year. We also just slid from 5th to 12th because Rudy missed games. Going from bad, in Don's case, to below average... is improvement. It isn't every night though and there has been some regression.

Last night was primarily Royce getting blown by and Hassan being garbage. Mike, Don, and JC did their normal dying on screens. The reason there were no rotations was because Hassan decided not to move like at all.... I honestly think he is still concussed or this may be the normal fading Hassan does.

If Royce was up to his normal level I think our defense would be slightly better than last year. Still not good enough to get to the finals but good enough to sneak into the conference finals with some injury luck.

The issue is the decisions made in prior years brought us to a spot where we were really good... great even... but you have to be exceptional to win the title. I don't know if this group or any iteration of this group can get there, but we have not been willing to sacrifice some of the good for something that could be better (or worse). I think Ainge will make those changes... if there is enough left to trade to get something done.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They have been... Donovan was bad last year... both have been more active with their hands and getting more steals. Royce has been way worse this year. We also just slid from 5th to 12th because Rudy missed games. Going from bad, in Don's case, to below average... is improvement. It isn't every night though and there has been some regression.

Last night was primarily Royce getting blown by and Hassan being garbage. Mike, Don, and JC did their normal dying on screens. The reason there were no rotations was because Hassan decided not to move like at all.... I honestly think he is still concussed or this may be the normal fading Hassan does.

If Royce was up to his normal level I think our defense would be slightly better than last year. Still not good enough to get to the finals but good enough to sneak into the conference finals with some injury luck.

The issue is the decisions made in prior years brought us to a spot where we were really good... great even... but you have to be exceptional to win the title. I don't know if this group or any iteration of this group can get there, but we have not been willing to sacrifice some of the good for something that could be better (or worse). I think Ainge will make those changes... if there is enough left to trade to get something done.
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The thing with Royce though, is that if he actually does have legitimate knee tendinitis and it wasnt just a fib so he could sit without a fine, I get why his D has slid recently. That **** makes you play much much slower than you would normally.

And he's probably stuck with it all season unless he takes a month off.
 
I still don't understand the injured list thing. Why deactivate a player at all? Why not just have everyone available and DNP-CD those who are resting or injured or whatever?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The thing with Royce though, is that if he actually does have legitimate knee tendinitis and it wasnt just a fib so he could sit without a fine, I get why his D has slid recently. That **** makes you play much much slower than you would normally.

And he's probably stuck with it all season unless he takes a month off.
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Before the injury "announcement" I mentioned a few times he looks slower... he's never been lightening around screens but he can't even stay in front of guys. House was moving so much better than he was last night... especially when guarding Cade.

There is a silver lining in this losing streak. We ain't catching GS and Phoenix... there is no difference between 3 and 4 seeds really at all. So sit players and lose a few games if you have to... play House instead of Royce. Maybe you get 90% of what he brings and get it with a minimum player. Maybe not.... but it really won't matter at all and you'll have another guy with reps that can play at least some defense.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I still don't understand the injured list thing. Why deactivate a player at all? Why not just have everyone available and DNP-CD those who are resting or injured or whatever?
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Probably for betting purposes
Lines are calculated based on available players
Vegas needs to know who is not playing
 
The gambling angle is probably correct, but it is probably to help the refs know who to bet on and how to skim points to get the spread they want.
 
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