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Anyone notice we aren’t getting wide open spot up 3’s like we used to? This was very apparent in the Detroit game. They looked like the veteran team on offense while we looked like the discombobulated young team trying to figure out nba offense. They were getting nothing but wide open corner spot up 3’s. We don’t get those anymore. Ingles is a bigger deal then we know. It’s not the defense holding us back at the moment, it’s our offense.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Anyone notice we aren’t getting wide open spot up 3’s like we used to? This was very apparent in the Detroit game. They looked like the veteran team on offense while we looked like the discombobulated young team trying to figure out nba offense. They were getting nothing but wide open corner spot up 3’s. We don’t get those anymore. Ingles is a bigger deal then we know. It’s not the defense holding us back at the moment, it’s our offense.
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Ingles is a massive deal. He really encapsulates the way the Jazz should play on both ends. (But the bigger issue is no Gobert, his screening is how the Jazz produce their best looks). Without Gobert the Jazz become more isolation heavy, which is a chore to watch.
 
Trade Joe, Udoka and a first for Marcus Morris. Trade Conley and JC for Simmons.

Mitchell
Simmons
Royce
Morris
Gobert

We reload on assholes/hats.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ingles is a massive deal. He really encapsulates the way the Jazz should play on both ends. (But the bigger issue is no Gobert, his screening is how the Jazz produce their best looks). Without Gobert the Jazz become more isolation heavy, which is a chore to watch.
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I think Rudy is often overlooked on offense. The Detroit offense was ugly in part because Whiteside is not a good screener and decided to park his *** in the post all night. Having a guy in the post really gums up everything... especially if the dude can't pass.
 
infection said:
Trade Joe, Udoka and a first for Marcus Morris. Trade Conley and JC for Simmons.

Mitchell
Simmons
Royce
Morris
Gobert

We reload on assholes/hats.
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I saw a rumor that Clips may just have a gap year and reload... I immediately knew Marcus Morris to Jazz trades were coming from you.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I saw a rumor that Clips may just have a gap year and reload... I immediately knew Marcus Morris to Jazz trades were coming from you.
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Yeah, when I thought about it, sending Ingles out with an asset, and giving DL the finger by including Udoka, is a total Ainge move.
 
infection said:
Trade Joe, Udoka and a first for Marcus Morris. Trade Conley and JC for Simmons.

Mitchell
Simmons
Royce
Morris
Gobert

We reload on assholes/hats.
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I also screwed up this lineup:

Mitchell
Simmons
Bojan
Morris
Gobert

You can bitch about spacing all you want, but Simmons will score at the basket, be a gigantic body to throw the easy lob to Gobert, or if there’s any paint-crowding, you’ve got Donovan, Morris, and Bojan for kickouts.
 
infection said:
I also screwed up this lineup:

Mitchell
Simmons
Bojan
Morris
Gobert

You can bitch about spacing all you want, but Simmons will score at the basket, be a gigantic body to throw the easy lob to Gobert, or if there’s any paint-crowding, you’ve got Donovan, Morris, and Bojan for lockouts.
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We ain't getting Simmons for a bunch of reasons... unless you want to trade Donovan for him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We ain't getting Simmons for a bunch of reasons... unless you want to trade Donovan for him.
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We’re halfway through a season and Simmons hasn’t played. They aren’t getting anything near Donovan level for him. Now, they may want that and may want equal value back, but they aren’t getting it. Adding Conley and JC to their team currently is pure addition. I know that’s also not a completely fair way to look at it, but whenever Simmons gets traded I think the total value they get back is maybe around the same value of that package. Maybe someone gives them some potential value with future assets or a young guy (they won’t be getting back any sure bets on young guys), but they’ve got Embiid now and they’re trying to be competitive now.

I agree they wouldn’t do it, but I don’t think they’re getting much more than that, so they end up continuing with their status quo: nothing.
 
IMO, the most likely scenario is that the Jazz offer Ingles, a conditional FRP and a young player (e.g., Butler, Hughes, Dok) for a player in the $13M salary range:
-- Christian Wood
-- Josh Hart
-- Kyle Kuzma
-- maybe a package with Josh Richardson, but I'm not sure that moves the needle
 
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infection said:
We’re halfway through a season and Simmons hasn’t played. They aren’t getting anything near Donovan level for him. Now, they may want that and may want equal value back, but they aren’t getting it. Adding Conley and JC to their team currently is pure addition. I know that’s also not a completely fair way to look at it, but whenever Simmons gets traded I think the total value they get back is maybe around the same value of that package. Maybe someone gives them some potential value with future assets or a young guy (they won’t be getting back any sure bets on young guys), but they’ve got Embiid now and they’re trying to be competitive now.

I agree they wouldn’t do it, but I don’t think they’re getting much more than that, so they end up continuing with their status quo: nothing.
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This. If they were going to get equal or higher value for Simmons it would have happened by now. We are far enough along for teams to know what they have and what they need and what they are willing to give up. He will not go for a premium at this point. Equal salary and modest performance replacement is the best they can realistically hope for imo.
 
infection said:
We’re halfway through a season and Simmons hasn’t played. They aren’t getting anything near Donovan level for him. Now, they may want that and may want equal value back, but they aren’t getting it. Adding Conley and JC to their team currently is pure addition. I know that’s also not a completely fair way to look at it, but whenever Simmons gets traded I think the total value they get back is maybe around the same value of that package. Maybe someone gives them some potential value with future assets or a young guy (they won’t be getting back any sure bets on young guys), but they’ve got Embiid now and they’re trying to be competitive now.

I agree they wouldn’t do it, but I don’t think they’re getting much more than that, so they end up continuing with their status quo: nothing.
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If they decide to trade him for 75 cents on the dollar they will get a package with picks that they can hopefully flip for the star later. So they get some guys like CJ McCollum and 1sts. Or they go with the Atlanta package that gives a few pieces with young guys and picks they can hopefully use in a trade in the offseason.
 
If Clips are selling I'd be looking hard at Ibaka, Batum, Morris (maybe depends on price). I don't think the price tag on Ibaka and Batum would be super high so we likely have the goods... depending on if they like Butler.

Find a team that will give an expiring and a second for JC... send the expiring and seconds with Butler to the clips... stretch 5 that protects the rim... and Batum who is having a bad year thus far but maybe finds the magic again.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If they decide to trade him for 75 cents on the dollar they will get a package with picks that they can hopefully flip for the star later. So they get some guys like CJ McCollum and 1sts. Or they go with the Atlanta package that gives a few pieces with young guys and picks they can hopefully use in a trade in the offseason.
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JC and Conley may be 60 cents on the dollar. I think any player/picks package will be maybe 65 cents on the dollar. I think we need to start getting our name in these Simmons rumors. Not because we’ll get him, but because our defense has been so bad that I think the team needs to hear that we’re trying to make trades to bring in a huge douche.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Clips are selling I'd be looking hard at Ibaka, Batum, Morris (maybe depends on price). I don't think the price tag on Ibaka and Batum would be super high so we likely have the goods... depending on if they like Butler.

Find a team that will give an expiring and a second for JC... send the expiring and seconds with Butler to the clips... stretch 5 that protects the rim... and Batum who is having a bad year thus far but maybe finds the magic again.
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I’d be curious about Ibaka. I’d be more curious if he were bought out. Not sure how much you can rely on his health. He does fit in the TPE in the unlikely event that you’re able to do a second multi-team move where we send out a whole bunch of salary that we don’t take back.
 
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