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Oh man it’s worse…
I think that's called denial.
Oh man it’s worse…
I think he gets it. He played good D in college, and improved a ton. He isn't that guy anymore, either because he doesn't care, or has a coach that doesn't know how to teach or emphasize good D.
This team rarely takes charges, does not know how to anticipate and slip a screen, and leaves opponents wide open too often.
Agree about his improvement on offense, I was talking about D. He improved tremendously in college.I think he has improved tremendously on offense, he is one of the few best PnR scorers in the league and generally makes good decisions out of it. He has been more efficient around the rim. He has added an aspect every season. That's all true but he has regressed a ton on defense. Some of it is that he is the primary creator and had been burdened with it too much. Jazz had some line-ups that didn't work towards him in his early years but he is now playing with Conley who not only spaces the floor but handles the playmaking duties. Bogey who gives him space and steps up when needed. Clarkson is there so we don't lose offense. Royce, Ingles, Gay all spaces the floor for our spread PnR offense that allows Mitchell to feast. He should be much more active on defense because his offensive load isn't the same anymore. It's much less.
What he doesn't get, I think, is less that he needs to play defense. He acknowledges that he needs to step up, says just need to it all the time. The problem is that he doesn't think it's a process. He believes that, probably subconsciously, he can go out there and play defense. It just doesn't work like that. There needs to be repetition, cohesion. Defense is not an individual concept.
I firmly believe Quin is a great coach, there is only so much you can do if the guys aren't coachable. I repeat myself but Quin did have great defensive teams and lost too many defensive players when we changed our identity. He won't be and shouldn't be with the Jazz next year but I find it hard to blame him.
Oh, I don't know much about his college years, just his last year. But guys change and some are more stubborn when they are big time. It wasn't like Mitchell was a consensus no1 pick, may be if he was we would see it earlier. Kinda like Zion.Agree about his improvement on offense, I was talking about D. He improved tremendously in college.
Disagree Quin is a good coach. He was playing checkers while Ty Lue appeared to be playing chess. ****ing Ty Lue.
Quin's teams have been good on D with Rudy. Really bad pre-Rudy starting.
Oh man it’s worse…
Okay, now let’s let fandom take over, I think at heart most of us like Rudy more the more we get to know them. So if we just get to not win a title with both? Most of us will choose Rudy.I'm a massive fan of Gobert but I don't think the fanbase, who loves him for good reason, understand that the teams' weaknesses do stem from gobert too. He is a max player, takes up a huge percentage of our cap, and is incredibly limited offensively. We've had to build a team around him. In the modern NBA, if you have a guy who can't shoot, and who doesn't have any post moves or mid-range game even, you have two have four offensive players around him. Remember, before the conley and bogey signings, this team was limited offensively. We had no chance in the playoffs every year. If Gobert is one of your max guys, you have to get creative around him. I'm not saying I don't appreciate Gobert, but this idea that the choice between him and Mitchell, if we ever had to make a choice, isn't as obvious as you think. Gobert might be the most valuable regular season player in the league, certainly on our team he is. But in the playoffs, Gobert becomes less valuable. Mitchell becomes more valuable. It's just a fact. Good teams with elite rosters can take Gobert out of the post and neutralize him. He can't take you to the finals being the best player. You need a Mitchell.
Donovan got a bad rep because he’s proven to be a diva and drama queen over and over. Yeah, he’s not as popular anymore and he shouldn’t be.The Don and Rudy beef around covid was always bigger in my eyes than many made it out to be.
Rudy has the external rep of being a hard worker and putting the right stuff first. You can clearly see that he has that respect on this forum.
Well, Rudy showed in public how irresponsible he can be with the whole mic touching charade. Behind closed doors, Rudy did something to Don so big that nobody on the team would ever talk about it. They deferred to Rudy and Don to discuss it, but did admit something did happen and Don was pissed. Unfortunately, Don kind of got a bad rep for showing his emotions about the situation publicly. Many said he violated lockerroom code.
I don't think Don/they ever recovered from it. If you lose respect for somebody, it's hard to get it back. If respect is an issue, it probably burns Don up when Rudy goes public with stuff that should stay private. Rudy rarely gets held to the same standard as Don both in the media and on the floor. And I bet Don just doesn't respect Rudy because Rudy does and says what he wants without much flack from anybody.
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It took Stockton and Malone eight years together to get past the second round. Just sayin.This is Don and Rudy's 5th year together and they've never gotten past the second round...if we have another first or second round exit again this season, I have a feeling the **** is really going to hit the fan. This offseason could be fascinating.
It took Stockton and Malone eight years together to get past the second round. Just sayin.
Oh man it’s worse…
I Don't think people are upset, I'm certainly not, it's just wacky to hear this from a head coach, and in combination with the other quotes from Quin.I don't see why people are so upset about this quote. He is right. The regular season means next to nothing and last year was the perfect example of it. Not sure what people want here. I don't have the expectation that he should lie and say the RS matter more than it does. It didn't matter that we were playing amazing last year, played well a couple weeks ago, and now we're now playing like **** when Rudy was out. We're the same team and these ebbs and flows are near meaningless.