LoPo
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You're on block, but somebody has to hold your constant negativity accountable.
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Donovan refuses to say whether or not he wants to be in Utah moving forward
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Wow, you're doing such a great job. I'm sure all your alt accounts appreciate how ****ing lame you are.
LoPo
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Lol. One authentic consistent account.
How you feel about your boy Conley? You feeling lonely on that hill?
Even you gotta admit it was an awful trade now. I mean, if you weren't...what did you call me? A coward?
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I gave him a freaking F for the playoff run lmfao. What the **** is up with you and your minions (if you want to act like they aint your alts) acting like I never criticize MIke Conley when I clearly do.
Does him having ONE bad series make the trade terrible? No
I'm not a reactionary bitch like yourself.
The trade was good. I don't play the goofy hindsight game where I think any move that didnt result in a ring is a fail.
Was it the best move they could have made? Probably not
Should they have gotten Conley a year earlier and it would have worked out much better? Definitely yes
LoPo
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I have never ever started another account on this forum.
I have never "recruited" any other person on here to align with my points.
I say what I say with the utmost amount of conviction and honesty. Sometimes I'm wrong, but often times I'm right.
The Conley trade was unnecessary. It was a massive, unnecessary reach. We were all begging for a stretch 4, and we got that guy in Bojan. There was no need for Conley but we went and sold out for him anyway.
The trade ruined our era with Rudy and Don. **** happens. Time to adjust. Sure as hell ain't Don's fault as much as you try to make it seem that way.
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lmao yeah, the trade ruined it. Donovan Mitchell being a space cadet on defense is Mike Conley's fault.
Whether or not you think the Conley trade was good/ok/bad/terrible, to act like it was the thing that "Ruined" the Mitchell'Gobert era is completely asinine. When you have the critical thinking skills of an inbred backwoods Alabamian I dont expect much different tho.
Yeah poor Donovan he's never been given anything he wants. Poor guy, I mean he hasn't had his *** kissed beyond belief to then go out there play absolutely no defense, never hit a 3, chuck shots all series, and then say "poor me" when they can't even beat a short handed Mavs team. If Donovan was half as good as he thinks he is, we would have won this series. Period. Loyalty is saying "No I have no plans on demanding a trade, I just want an avenue to win". If you want to win so bad Donovan, start by not looking so pathetic and lost on 90% of defensive possessions. He didn't play like he wanted to win this series at all. Poor poor Donovan, so picked on. Dude has literally got people fired over one little thing.
But I would like to trade him to the Knicks, rob all their assets, and leave him to rot there with Dolan.
"It hurts" "I just want to win".........apparently not enough to play even average defense.
LoPo
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Lol resulting to insults.
Without Conley, we would have been a first round exit team.
With Conley, we were a first round exit team.
Conley ruined the potential of Don/Rudy era because he sapped us of every resource.
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I didnt direct that comment at anyone but if you think it was meant for you then maybe....
The Jazz were really in a no win situation unless they get a ring. If they don't trade for Conley they are slammed for not making big moves to get good players around DM and RG and going status quo. They do make a big move and spend money and still are able to get some pretty good players to be in the core, and it doesn't work in a few years... and get slammed for bogging down the team with a Conley's huge salary. It's a no win situation... unless they win it all.
I'm convinced that they had enough talent to win it all at least once, but blew it. I'd put blame from the front office down to the 12th man. They didn't work together. They got hurt feelings. They didn't communicate well. They lost some professionalism somewhere along the way. The wedges that got between people hurt communication and probably made it so future communications were seen in a bad light even if they weren't intended that way. I'm pretty sure we've all seen a friendship go sour over something... well this is it in private and it spilled over into their work and into public settings.
I'm not going to blame anyone. I'll blame the situation, and then I'll blame everyone. I'm sure there were a few innocents in the middle of it all. It probably held together as long as it did because of Ingles, then when he was shipped away it all blew up.
We miss you Joe. You are awesome!
The only people that have a chance of knowing how to go forward from here is an insider that actually knows which relationships are fractured and start splitting and moving whether it be coaches, FO people, or players. Time to trim the tree.
/Nostradamus out
That was my biggest issue with Conley. He was aging and on a too big of contract. I didn't think he would be this bad, but was super worried about him in a backcourt with Donovan in the modern NBA where teams want size at every position to allow for effective switches. We gave up too much in assets for a large contract.
Royce just exacerbates that issue. It is like Willow, Burglecutt and Megosh against a team of daikini warriors every night.
Getting backcourt players from Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory is probably not the best idea.
Sean
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Just total malpractice in this reporting by the SLC media during that exchange. I respect guys like Andy and Eric, even if Eric forced me to unfollow him on twitter for some damn reason (that's a thing, you can remove someone from following you, even though they can see and interact with your tweets).
But the lack of added context, especially after Mitchell said he wanted to come back, is just awful optics. Adding the first response makes the second far more understandable due to having already answering the question. But only reporting that second answer fuels needless, baseless speculation that makes me wonder if some in the media want to create a narrative here.
But the lack of added context, especially after Mitchell said he wanted to come back, is just awful optics. Adding the first response makes the second far more understandable due to having already answering the question. But only reporting that second answer fuels needless, baseless speculation that makes me wonder if some in the media want to create a narrative here.
I said it over a year ago, and had a good series of DMs with a few people on here during the draft about an old friend of mine that works in a knowledgeable position with the team. Particularly that they didn't like anyone in the draft and were planning to trade out. He said the Jared Butler was a opportunity, but they weren't too high on him, despite what some media pundits tried to say. Basically it sounded like the Ainge hiring caused a lot of stress for a lot of people (not surprised). Not sure how that spilled out to the team.
My friend thought he was going to lose his job when Ainge was hired. After the Ainge hiring, he stopped giving me updates. I think he may have actually switched jobs, as he was trying to get a promotion and had applied for jobs with a few other teams. Need to try and touch base with him...
I think in this market, the smarter narrative to push about the Jazz is the one that shouts the good and whispers the bad.
This is a system of access, and this gatekeeping by the organization has helped Tony Jones succeed to the heights he has.
Max Porter
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I would let the dust settle for a bit first to assess if has really moved on or not. This was an incredibly disappointing end to the season. Emotions are high. IF after that and he doesn’t want to be here then trade him. If he wants to stay my vote is to do a rebuild around him and no one else on the team is safe. We know he’ll perform in the playoffs. We need to get more athletic and younger and really may need to move on from Rudy, Conley and Quinn
LoPo
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I think the Jazz did an amazing and unexpected job getting Bojan. Adding him to the Rubio, Jae and rest of the guys would have been brilliant and bold by itself. There was no need to have to do the Conley deal. We got the stretch 4 we needed and could have evolved from there.
Instead, we lost Favors, Crowder, Grayson and a 1st all just to upgrade Rubio. It was so stupid.
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