Don gone, too?

[KqWIN]

Interesting theory.

“Theory”…..yeah it ain’t theory. Anyone with half a brain can see what the Jazz are doing right now.

Lots of talk about unrealistic scenarios this summer, the most unrealistic is the Jazz pulling a DWill style trade and trading Don. That’s not happening. At this point, the best realistic thing for this franchise is for Don to demand a trade as soon as possible.

Serious damage will be done if we keep allowing Don+CAA make decisions for us.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

“Theory”…..yeah it ain’t theory. Anyone with half a brain can see what the Jazz are doing right now.

Lots of talk about unrealistic scenarios this summer, the most unrealistic is the Jazz pulling a DWill style trade and trading Don. That’s not happening. At this point, the best realistic thing for this franchise is for Don to demand a trade as soon as possible.

Serious damage will be done if we keep allowing Don+CAA make decisions for us.

If the Jazz hire Johnnie Bryant as the next head coach because he's buddies with Donovan (and despite having very little coaching experience), then I might believe you. The next 2 weeks or so will reveal a lot.

I think Ainge is very involved in high-level decisions now that his name is on the door. He just isn't handling the day-to-day coordination. If this turns into Danny vs. Donny, then Donovan is probably going to lose.

 

[KqWIN]

If the Jazz hire Johnnie Bryant as the next head coach because he's buddies with Donovan (and despite having very little coaching experience), then I might believe you. The next 2 weeks or so will reveal a lot.

I think Ainge is very involved in high-level decisions now that his name is on the door. He just isn't handling the day-to-day coordination. If this turns into Danny vs. Donny, then Donovan is probably going to lose.

There is a zero percent chance Don is traded if he doesn’t demand it. Our entire plan as a franchise is to please Don. It’s been well written and reported on. It’s been backed up by the decisions we’ve made. I don’t know how more obvious it needs to be.

 

[gomretat]

There is a zero percent chance Don is traded if he doesn’t demand it. Our entire plan as a franchise is to please Don. It’s been well written and reported on. It’s been backed up by the decisions we’ve made. I don’t know how more obvious it needs to be.

And in some cases that might make sense. But only with a superstar who is committed to sticking around. Donny is neither of those at this point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

From Tim MacMahon:



MacMahon also reported that the main reason Don's mentor Dwyane Wade was brought in was to make Don happy.
Jake Fischer said on a podcast that Royce was intentionally held out of trade talks before last years deadline to avoid upsetting Don.

Yeah but other than those things what have they done?

 

[The Thriller]

One can only hope.

I like Spida. But I’d love to unload him for a host of decent wings and draft picks. We desperately need to add athleticism and length to our roster. If we play our cards right, we still might be able to compete with Rudy for a few more years.

 

[Elizah Huge]

One can only hope.

I like Spida. But I’d love to unload him for a host of decent wings and draft picks. We desperately need to add athleticism and length to our roster. If we play our cards right, we still might be able to compete with Rudy for a few more years.

Why would we do that? Rudy would get us way more in a deal than Donovan would.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

“Theory”…..yeah it ain’t theory. Anyone with half a brain can see what the Jazz are doing right now.

Lots of talk about unrealistic scenarios this summer, the most unrealistic is the Jazz pulling a DWill style trade and trading Don. That’s not happening. At this point, the best realistic thing for this franchise is for Don to demand a trade as soon as possible.

Serious damage will be done if we keep allowing Don+CAA make decisions for us.

This is why I supported the tank… this is only a start to the BS we endure if we continue down the path. We hire Bryant and do other things to make Donovan happy it on makes Ryan dig in more and more… the mistakes will be more damaging and more long term the longer we go.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ainge is part time and only hired because he’s friends with Smith. Ryan Smith is a loser who desperately wants to be BFFs with Don. No shot in hell Ainge is executing a plan that isn’t Ryan’s plan.

It’s not Ainge’s decision to be sold or not sold on Don. We’re not trying to win a championship. We’re trying to please a player who is gone no matter what.

It sounds like you want to join me on team tank… it will be a better kind of miserable than the Donovan and friends era.

 

[Jazz Fusion]

Footage of Don being “shocked” that Snyder stepped down…

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Ainge does believe we need to do a total rebuild… and he has the energy and stones to do it… now is the time to kinda force Dons hand. Hire the guy you want regardless of Dons input… maybe then he comes out with the trade demand and you can convince Ryan to do it.

He also may just be here to collect a few checks and avoid his wife… so he just does what Donovan and Ryan want to cruise into the horizon.

 

[infection]

Donovan shot more efficiently this year than Curry.

By what measure?

 

[infection]

If Ainge does believe we need to do a total rebuild… and he has the energy and stones to do it… now is the time to kinda force Dons hand. Hire the guy you want regardless of Dons input… maybe then he comes out with the trade demand and you can convince Ryan to do it.

He also may just be here to collect a few checks and avoid his wife… so he just does what Donovan and Ryan want to cruise into the horizon.

DL is to Exum what Ryan is to DM. The latter being more problematic. I’m ready to exchange Mayor McCheese for our Jordan Clarkson. Can the Millers buy the team back? Elon Musk?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why would we do that? Rudy would get us way more in a deal than Donovan would.

??????????????????????????

So… according to you, Rudy gets us dick but Donovan - who you assert is a no-brainer top-15 player in his 20’s with three years left on his cheaper deal - gets us less?

What in the ever living **** are you talking about.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

DL is to Exum what Ryan is to DM. The latter being more problematic. I’m ready to exchange Mayor McCheese for our Jordan Clarkson. Can the Millers buy the team back? Elon Musk?

It’s why Ainge has to be intentional here if it’s really what he wants. Have to make Don ask out forcely enough that Ryan says okay.

I doubt he wants that… I think Ainge is here just to drive a stake in our heart… Hayward wasn’t enough… he wanted to get in and go full saboteur

 

[Release the Kraken]

This, my dream scenario, could really go south in a heartbeat if it turns into the Donovan Mitchell show with Johnny Bryant IMO! Sorry but I have no faith in that relationship instilling the necessary commitment and discipline for this team to succeed.

 

[KqWIN]

It sounds like you want to join me on team tank… it will be a better kind of miserable than the Donovan and friends era.

I always believed that the Don and friends era would be terrible. The team tank option only exists if Don demands out himself, so we're in for a lot of hurt. It's not a realistic possibility that we willingly trade Don without a trade demand. This idea of Ainge having the stones to do a full rebuild is not even worth a second thought because that's not an actual option. Don is the only person who can initiate the tank. It's not a FO decision.

I don't think it's terribly unrealistic that he does demand a trade this summer, however. And in the event he does, that's when Ainge can maybe show some muscle and negotiate the best deal, even if it means dragging it out like an Anthony Davis situation. Until then Ainge is making moves to appease Ryan, who wants to appease Don, who is handled by CAA, who runs the Knicks. God damn we're a laughingstock.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I always believed that the Don and friends era would be terrible. The team tank option only exists if Don demands out himself, so we're in for a lot of hurt. It's not a realistic possibility that we willingly trade Don without a trade demand. This idea of Ainge having the stones to do a full rebuild is not even worth a second thought because that's not an actual option. Don is the only person who can initiate the tank. It's not a FO decision.

I don't think it's terribly unrealistic that he does demand a trade this summer, however. And in the event he does, that's when Ainge can maybe show some muscle and negotiate the best deal, even if it means dragging it out like an Anthony Davis situation. Until then Ainge is making moves to appease Ryan, who wants to appease Don, who is handled by CAA, who runs the Knicks. God damn we're a laughingstock.

Yes but Ainge can simply just tell Ryan… hey… we can’t let Don pick the next coach. He picks the non JB option and that initiates the trade demand. He may not want to do it at all. He might think he can solve it… but he may not want his legacy to get tarnished as an executive by doing obviously dumb things. These guys are prideful… I can see a scenario where Ainge draws a line with CAA and it becomes the declaration of war.

I can also see old man Ainge just cruising for a few years and going with “the boss is always right” type of motto while we ride into perpetual obscurity.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

There is a zero percent chance Don is traded if he doesn’t demand it. Our entire plan as a franchise is to please Don. It’s been well written and reported on. It’s been backed up by the decisions we’ve made. I don’t know how more obvious it needs to be.

I agree that it's unlikely the Jazz trade Donovan this offseason. I think they want to see what kind of team they can put around him before they consider moving him, and they may believe they have another year or two to do it.

However, Ainge just joined the organization 6 months ago, and now that the Jazz crapped on the lawn once more in the playoffs--1st round exit, no less, Ainge now has a mandate to make changes. There's nothing standing in his way, not even Quin Snyder. That's why I think the next 30 days are going to be fascinating. Ainge has bottom-line authority and I'm keen to see what he does with it. This isn't Dennis Lindsey or Justin Zanik. This is Danny Ainge, and ostensibly he's not a *****.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

This is why I supported the tank… this is only a start to the BS we endure if we continue down the path. We hire Bryant and do other things to make Donovan happy it on makes Ryan dig in more and more… the mistakes will be more damaging and more long term the longer we go.

My point of view is that the Jazz don't have a franchise player to build around--not Rudy, not Donovan, or anyone else. I don't even care what Donovan's attitude towards playing in Utah is. Teams built around score-first combo-guards tend to top out in the 2nd round, at best. The history is extensive: Westbrook, Wall, Rose, Lillard, Irving, Beal, DWill, Booker, Walker, etc., etc.

The mistake the Jazz made was Dennis Lindsey believing that Mitchell and Gobert could form a championship foundation. Maybe he thought Gobert would develop more offensively. Who knows? But no one is going to hand the Jazz a franchise player. We have to go draft one.