Don gone, too?

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Most likely scenario in my mind is Rudy is Traded, we make the 8th spot With Don taking the reigns of the team. We bow out in the first round. Don asks for a trade, we are left holding the bag with nothing as usual. Utah can't keep great players anymore. It's gonna be a 10 year period of time before we start to show signs of life again.

Largely agree about the course of events - we probably trade Rudy for win now pieces(we lose value on that choice), we are borderline playoff-team... we either make the play in tournament or 7-8th seed. One and out. Mitchell stages some drama to ask for a trade through Woj. We lose value on that one too.

In essence, my feeling is that the best course of action is to blow it all up NOW! But this is not going to happen like @KqWIN has explained in previous posts, because the only way it happens is if Mitchell demands a trade NOW.

 

[LoPo]

I blame LOPO

Join the club

 

[LoPo]

We should trade Donovan Mitchell if he has any hesitation staying here.

I have seen zero evidence (and no a report about rumors doesn't count as evidence) that he doesn't want to be here, but we shall see what transpires.

But yes, we should trade Donovan if he doesn't want to be here.

 

[Just Ted]

How would we be left holding the bag when Donovan would have 2 years + a players option on his contract still? Do you guys think before you type?

Yes I think. Tell me we don't get left holding the bag when he asks for a trade and we lose all leverage in a trade and we then get pennies on the dollar. Do you even think before you type?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Yes I think. Tell me we don't get left holding the bag when he asks for a trade and we lose all leverage in a trade and we then get pennies on the dollar. Do you even think before you type?

This ****ing nonsense again. When is the last time a player asked out of his caliber and got traded for pennies on the dollar?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

 

[Just Ted]

HMMMMM.... Tell me we got better when we traded Deron Williams. I assume you think that Favors was the same caliber if not better. Yes we got some pics and squandered most of them. It happens all the time. You don't get your moneys worth when you trade a star. Don's not a superstar, but we wouldn't get full value. Do you spend most of your time on the forums trying to talk down to people? Or is that a skill that you have acquired over the years? Either way. Glad to be a part of it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Largely agree about the course of events - we probably trade Rudy for win now pieces(we lose value on that choice), we are borderline playoff-team... we either make the play in tournament or 7-8th seed. One and out. Mitchell stages some drama to ask for a trade through Woj. We lose value on that one too.

In essence, my feeling is that the best course of action is to blow it all up NOW! But this is not going to happen like @KqWIN has explained in previous posts, because the only way it happens is if Mitchell demands a trade NOW.

It is unlikely we do it... but not impossible... maybe its a 1-5% chance. We talk about stuff in that possibility range so I am fine discussing it.

It has to be a death spiral. We are in free fall right now... I don't think it takes much to push Don to a trade request. Let Ryan sit with these trade rumors and noise for the next week or two... then maybe remind him how much louder it will get if the team sucks and as his precious AS game and trade deadline approaches. Wait until CAA gets JB a 5 year $20M contract as an assistant and then releases a presser simultaneously that says Jazz had a chance to bring him in and Donovan is super upset, unnerved, and angry.... also here's how great Donovan's stats are he is basically AI 2.0... blah blah blah.

 

[KqWIN]

I think it is more CAA's messaging with Don's blessing... but yeah it reflects on both. They used the press conference to get some influence or at very least get Bryant a raise (how much $$$ will NY pay to keep him?). Its also the groundwork for a trade request... paraphrasing the Woj article "Quin was a big reason he signed his extension in the first place... now he's gone".

We always knew Donovan wouldn't stay here forever but his timeline is being pushed here... nothing will shock me this offseason... 2-3 weeks we will see who is still around.

Oh for sure. I think it benefits CAA to help get their client the job, but it also helps control the narrative when Don does demand out. At the end of the day....Don-Woj-Bryant-CAA and unfortunately the Knicks are all on the same team and their interests are not aligned with ours. There was a lot of talk about Don not being able to stomach "being the bad guy". I think this media stuff is trying to make it look like he's not the bad guy if he leaves.. I'd bet on your paraphrase being included in a future areticle. In his ideal world, he probably wants to be like Dame where people are calling him too loyal and wanting him to demand out. But this Quin statement released by Woj is so pathetic. People were already starting to turn on him this playoffs and empathizing with Rudy. Woj can only make him look like the goldenboy for so long.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Oh for sure. I think it benefits CAA to help get their client the job, but it also helps control the narrative when Don does demand out. At the end of the day....Don-Woj-Bryant-CAA and unfortunately the Knicks are all on the same team and their interests are not aligned with ours. There was a lot of talk about Don not being able to stomach "being the bad guy". I think this media stuff is trying to make it look like he's not the bad guy if he leaves.. I'd bet on your paraphrase being included in a future areticle. In his ideal world, he probably wants to be like Dame where people are calling him too loyal and wanting him to demand out. But this Quin statement released by Woj is so pathetic. People were already starting to turn on him this playoffs and empathizing with Rudy. Woj can only make him look like the goldenboy for so long.

Its just hilarious that most can see where this is headed and supposedly Ryan's like "nah we all in on keeping Don".

Like if you had these vibes around a dating relationship aren't you having a serious DTR tonight. Who cares if Christmas is next week (the AS game)? Its time to put it all out there and either truly push forward together without the agenda BS or just be dead *** honest. I honestly don't think Jazz fans would crucify Donovan for asking out... most of us see it coming to an end. Its when Hayward blind sided us that gets us riled up imo.

The Dame comp is relevant. I do think part of Dame's "loyalty" currently is that he can sign a megamax extension he can't get elsewhere. I think he signs that and they head to a mutual breakup sometime in the next 12 months. I think he has been more loyal than anyone could expect but I think the last 12 months or so his loyalty has been partly financially motivated. I don't blame him btw. He deserves his money and its fair for him to ask out.

Donovan doesn't have that cash dangling over his head so his situation is more tenuous. I think if the basketball or org in NY was in a better spot he'd be asking out now... I think he wants to see how that all plays out and is likely somewhat motivated by being the face of the AS game this year.

None of this stuff helps our situation which you noted thoroughly. We are letting people dictate this decision that don't care about the Jazz at all. Ryan is the nerdy pawn in the CAA chess match.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

you deal with a prima donna such as donovan if he plays both ends of the floor and he's efficient when it matters, but otherwise you cut bait at your first opportunity.

I agree with this. If he's Lebron or KD or even James Harden in his prime, then maybe you put up with it. But if he's Kyrie, then you don't.

My view is that I don't care what Donovan's attitude is towards Utah or playing here. He isn't good enough to build a team around. So priority #1 has to be finding a player who is that guy. If that means moving Donovan, then great.

 

[infection]

Tarde teh effs outta Mitchell.

Do the Miami/Herro deal in the event that you could also pick up Lonzo and LaVar Ball and I think we’d be good to rock and roll. We’d have some good underdog vibes, too. Ryan is going for none of this, though. Ainge gotta do something.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

It’s all a power play right now. The head coaching hire will be the most telling thing yet. Donovan wants Bryant. He is laying the groundwork to ask out if things don’t go his way.

I could see Dennis Lindsey or Justin Zanik bending over backwards to appease Donovan. I just can't see Ainge rolling that way, and there was nothing in today's press conference that made it sound like Ainge is going to hire someone Donovan wants. Donovan's name never came up at all today.

 

[LoPo]

I could see Dennis Lindsey or Justin Zanik bending over backwards to appease Donovan. I just can't see Ainge rolling that way, and there was nothing in today's press conference that made it sound like Ainge is going to hire someone Donovan wants. Donovan's name never came up at all today.

Exactly. People need an open mind as we go into this offseason of change. Too many conspiracy theorists out there right now.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If CAA didn't rep Bryant I wonder how much say Donovan would even want in the HC search.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

You really are an idiot. Let’s compare Iverson’s MVP season to Donovan’s past year.

Allen Iverson’s 2000-01 stats

31.1 PPG on 25.5 FGA per game

42% from the field, 32% from 3, 44.1% from 2, 44.7 EFG%, 51.8 TS%, 35.9 USG%

Donovan Mitchell’s 2021-22 stats

25.9 PPG on 20.5 FGA per game

44.8% from the field, 35.5% from 3, 53.3% from 2, 53.3 EFG%, 57.2 TS%, 32.9 USG%

Iverson scored 5.2 PPG more per game on 5 FGA more per game, worse percentages by a large margin on everything and a higher usage percentage.

Clown take. BUT MY EYES TELL ME DIFFERENTLY.

You’re going to sit here and tell me Don is better than AI? You need help. AI is way past Don it’s not

Yeah, the Don haters on here don’t really understand that. They let their personal feelings cloud their judgement. It is sad really.

I don’t hate him per say. He just can’t be our #1 option. Doesn’t get to the line nearly enough, not a great finisher, and has a tendency to shoot the jazz out of a close game. Not a great playmaker, doesn’t make the right play gets himself into impossible situations and doesn’t know how to trust his teammates.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

You’re going to sit here and tell me Don is better than AI? You need help. AI is way past Don it’s not

I don’t hate him per say. He just can’t be our #1 option. Doesn’t get to the line nearly enough, not a great finisher, and has a tendency to shoot the jazz out of a close game. Not a great playmaker, doesn’t make the right play gets himself into impossible situations and doesn’t know how to trust his teammates.

We can’t and will never win a chip with him as our featured player. These things will only get worse if the jazz trade Gobert. And if Mitchell doesn’t ask out before the season starts, he will at the deadline or end of next season when he realizes it was better for him with Gobert.

 

[LoPo]

You’re going to sit here and tell me Don is better than AI? You need help. AI is way past Don it’s not

I don’t hate him per say. He just can’t be our #1 option. Doesn’t get to the line nearly enough, not a great finisher, and has a tendency to shoot the jazz out of a close game. Not a great playmaker, doesn’t make the right play gets himself into impossible situations and doesn’t know how to trust his teammates.

Players evolve. Get better. More efficient.

Don is a better player than AI ever was. Just the evolution of the game. Ever since MJ, perimeter play has gotten so much better. Offense and defense. Guys are playing 30 feet in now. I'm AI's day, you didn't see guys shooting off the dribble from 3. So many defenders were lumbering bigs who had no business athletically on the court with guys like AI or Don.

But in terms of league relevance, AI for sure has Don beat. AI was bigger in his day than Don is now. Not even close.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Lowe and McMahon talked on the pod about Quin/Don... not a lot to report.

Lowe mentioned the Heat will do something... they are setting up for a move. The package is still pretty meh but if you got:

Herro, Duncan, Strus, Vincent, Yurt, 2022 1st (after draft night so they can trade picks two years in a row), 2023 1st unprotected, 2027 or 2028 1st unprotected (they owe a pick to OKC in 2025 or 2026) and pick swaps in 24, 27 or 28, and 29... all unprotected. It seems like the wouldn't have a ton of value now but their core guys are old with a lot of mileage. Even Don may be sliding at that point.

You flip Herro, Strus, Vincent, Yurt for a pick in the 4-10 range or a pick in that range plus a future first. Its not ideal but I can see the Heat giving us everything they can to get it done... they are also pretty good at making stuff happen out of thin air so you could have them shop Herro and find the deal for us first.

They mentioned the Knicks have kinda pissed us off so we may not be talking with them right now.

 

[PrimaDonovan]

View: https://twitter.com/ClintoPete/status/1533910274561826818


PrimaDonovan ignored Quin's phone call. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

View: https://twitter.com/ClintoPete/status/1533910274561826818


PrimaDonovan ignored Quin's phone call. Absolutely disgusting.

View: https://twitter.com/spidadmitchell/status/1533939560132104195