The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

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neither are you- so quit responding to me then.

Yes, that's an example of of what I'd say if I wanted you to stop posting. I would never be so presumptuous that I would expect it to work.

I think you just hate seeing anything negative about democrats posted here.

Have I objected to the negative things you posted about Democrats? If you check back, you should see that most of have my responses have not disagreed with you there. I can only recall one poster that treated you hostilely, and he's a thorn in the side of the liberals here.

Not attacking folks for pointing out democrats flaws would be a good start. Maybe even go so far as to acknowledge some flaws.

I don't believe I have attacked you. We liberal posters discuss our dissatisfaction with Democrats generally, and Biden specifically, on a regular basis, with one or two exceptions.

I apologize for not including a couple of letters and typing democrat instead of democratic-I didn't know it was such a sensitive thing for ya'll dems

The use of "Democrat" as an adjective was a creation of Gingrich/Limbaugh/etc. to avoid associating Democrats with democracy. It makes the user look partisan or stupid. Right now, I don't think of you as partisan or stupid, hence the word to the wise.

You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder. This is a fun place to be. Have fun.

 

[fishonjazz]

Found this interesting: The vote to add seven paid sick days for workers, needed 60 votes to pass and fell short with a 52-43 total. Six Republicans -- Lindsey Graham, Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Michael Braun and John Kennedy -- voted to add sick leave while one Democrat, Joe Manchin, voted no.

So looks like according to my math there were 52 yes, lets side with the workers votes. 6 republicans were part of that 52. That would mean that 46 democrats were part of that group.
Then you have 43 no, lets side with the big rich corporation votes. 1 was a democrat (who seems to be more of a DINO anyway) and 36 were republicans.

So it looks to me like the democratic party mostly sided with the workers and the republicans mostly sided with the rich corporation. Which shouldn't surprise anyone.

So the democratic portion of the biden administration sided with the workers and wanted them to get what they wanted. Unfortunately there are a bunch of republicans who are a part of the biden administration as well who were able to thwart the democrats.

Any comments on the vote tally @Mongoose ?

 

[fishonjazz]

President Joe Biden vowed in a statement on Thursday to sign the rail agreement bill "as soon as it comes to my desk,"

"I know that many in Congress shared my reluctance to override the union ratification procedures," he said. "But in this case, the consequences of a shutdown were just too great for working families all across the country. And, the agreement will raise workers’ wages by 24%, increase health care benefits, and preserve two person crews."

Biden said he'd work to further support paid sick leave.

"I have long been a supporter of paid sick leave for workers in all industries – not just the rail industry – and my fight for that critical benefit continues," he said.

Congress' move to end the labor fight came as the White House emphasized that they thought lawmakers must send legislation "by this weekend" to avert a work stoppage or the nation could see potentially “devastating effects," given how much of the economy relies on rail to move goods.

At Biden's urging, the House on Wednesday passed a law enforcing the September tentative agreement plus separate legislation to add sick days for workers, which had become a major sticking point in the unsuccessful negotiations.

Kennedy said he "disagreed" with Biden's call on Congress to pass legislation to try and avert a strike, saying it takes away their ability to go on strike.

"I still believe that President Biden is the most pro-union president that there is, based on my experience in life. Now, with that being said, I disagree with his call on Congress.

Sanders had been urging his colleagues to consider boosting paid leave provisions for the rail workers and spoke on the floor between votes on Thursday.

“Workers who do difficult and dangerous work have zero paid sick days. Zero. You get sick, you’ve got a mark against you. Couple of marks, you get fired. This cannot and must not happen in America in 2022,” he said.

 

[fishonjazz]

I found this funny:
“Union bosses & Biden sold out the workers to make a deal,” Rubio then wrote in a Wednesday tweet.

Cruz, R-Texas,, said earlier on Thursday that Republicans were “the party of railroad union workers.”

On the quote from Rubio, from what I can see biden isn't part of the senate and didn't get a vote. Im guessing if he did get a vote then he would have voted in favor of the workers getting sick leave with the rest of the democratic portion of his administration.

On the quote from Cruz. LOL The party of railroad union workers overwhelmingly voted against the railroad union workers. Hilarious statement by Cruz.

 

[One Brow]

On the quote from Cruz. LOL The part of railroad union workers overwhelmingly voted against the railroad union workers. Hilarious statement by Cruz.

At least Cruz himself voted in favor.

 

[fishonjazz]

At least Cruz himself voted in favor.

Agreed. A bit of stretch to act as if the entire party is the party of railroad union workers after the majority voted against them though.

 

[fishonjazz]

BTW, Holy crap they got wage increase of 24%!!! in this deal!

I got 2.5% increase in my last union contract. Oh and as I said, I have no paid sick days.

 

[fishonjazz]

An even more unlikely third scenario might be to support the god damn workers! Could you imagine if a company making 21 billion in profits every year were forced to spend a few million on paid leave for its workers? gasp!!!

Wanted to circle back to this post after reading more about this issue.

You think that the biden administration should support the god damn workers! Unfortunately the biden administration isn't 1 thing. Its lots of people from mulitple parties. Looks like Biden and the vast majority of democrats do support the god damn workers. Unfortunately there are too many republicans in the Biden administration.

Im sure you (mongoose) will be posting in this thread again any minute now praising the democratic part for having so many votes in favor of the workers! While also chastising the republican party for having so few votes in favor of the workers. Any minute now im sure.

 

[Gameface]

BTW, Holy crap they got wage increase of 24%!!! in this deal!

I got 2.5% increase in my last union contract. Oh and as I said, I have no paid sick days.

If you ask your employer they'll tell you that you DO have paid sick leave as it is all included in the PTO benefit. They'll also tell you that they have a "no-fault" occurrence policy which means that as long as you don't miss more than 5 days in a rolling 12-month window you have nothing to worry about. If the absence is the result of a contagious illness (requires Dr. note) you do not get an occurrence point at all for any amount of days missed that are covered by the note. If the issue is medical but not a contagious illness (Dr, note required) that you will receive a single occurrence point for each series of consecutive absences covered by the note. They also changed the policy to not automatically charge PTO days for unscheduled absences and give you the option to use PTO or not.

I hope you've heard this story before, but either way it's pretty hilarious. A former line operator who is now a production supervisor (manager?) who's a big Jazz fan and his name is also a city in Texas had a great experience playing the system while he was still an hourly employee.

So this guy got tickets to a Jazz playoff game several years ago. It was a last minute thing so he was going to need to miss work in order to go. He was near the limit on occurrences so he did the natural thing. He went to urgent care, told them that he had the poopies and got a note for a contagious illness, which it is technically, as if you spread the poop around it could get other people sick.

Well, he goes to the game. On his way into the building he passes a camera that is showing fans excited for the game. He full on turns around, looks straight at the camera, raises his hands in the air and gives an enthusiastic "WHOOOOO!! Let's Go Jazz!!!" Another employee saw the clip and managed to capture it. Being a super awesome co-worker they then turned the footage over to HR. Our hero gets called into the HR office and is confronted with the footage. He doesn't deny that it's him. The HR person, thinking they've got him says "You missed work with a sick note from your doctor..." With zero shame he responded, "Yeah, the note said I couldn't work. It didn't say I couldn't go to a Jazz game." Dropped the mike in the face of the gape-mouthed HR person and walked out. No punishment was issued, no occurrence points assessed.

 

[fishonjazz]

If you ask your employer they'll tell you that you DO have paid sick leave as it is all included in the PTO benefit. They'll also tell you that they have a "no-fault" occurrence policy which means that as long as you don't miss more than 5 days in a rolling 12-month window you have nothing to worry about. If the absence is the result of a contagious illness (requires Dr. note) you do not get an occurrence point at all for any amount of days missed that are covered by the note. If the issue is medical but not a contagious illness (Dr, note required) that you will receive a single occurrence point for each series of consecutive absences covered by the note. They also changed the policy to not automatically charge PTO days for unscheduled absences and give you the option to use PTO or not.

I hope you've heard this story before, but either way it's pretty hilarious. A former line operator who is now a production supervisor (manager?) who's a big Jazz fan and his name is also a city in Texas had a great experience playing the system while he was still an hourly employee.

So this guy got tickets to a Jazz playoff game several years ago. It was a last minute thing so he was going to need to miss work in order to go. He was near the limit on occurrences so he did the natural thing. He went to urgent care, told them that he had the poopies and got a note for a contagious illness, which it is technically, as if you spread the poop around it could get other people sick.

Well, he goes to the game. On his way into the building he passes a camera that is showing fans excited for the game. He full on turns around, looks straight at the camera, raises his hands in the air and gives an enthusiastic "WHOOOOO!! Let's Go Jazz!!!" Another employee saw the clip and managed to capture it. Being a super awesome co-worker they then turned the footage over to HR. Our hero gets called into the HR office and is confronted with the footage. He doesn't deny that it's him. The HR person, thinking they've got him says "You missed work with a sick note from your doctor..." With zero shame he responded, "Yeah, the note said I couldn't work. It didn't say I couldn't go to a Jazz game." Dropped the mike in the face of the gape-mouthed HR person and walked out. No punishment was issued, no occurrence points assessed.

Ya he sucks. Nice enough dude but a horrible hourly employee (one of the worst ever) and a horrible manager as well.

I guess I dont know how to game the system or something because a few years ago I had pink eye (very contagious, painful, and makes it difficult to work) and I had a doctors note and got an occurrence. Same thing when I had the flu. I have used a doctors note to only get 1 occurrence instead of 2 when I missed 2 days in a row due to sickness though.
Years ago we had 1 paid sick day per year. Most people didn't even use it for being sick though. Myself included. I remember 1 time a group of friends were going to wendover and i wanted to go but had to work so I used my sick day. It was great. I understand why empoyers dont want us to have them though as it basically turns into unscheduled vacation time for many people. Which is hard to find coverage for.

 

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I remember working as a server for a restaurant in Provo during my college days and being as sick as a dog coughing all over the place and my boss refusing to give me a sick day. Rather than roll with one server fewer than normal and potentially showing some humanity, it was better to keep me working where I could infect my coworkers and the guests. Brilliant!

 

[fishonjazz]

From an injury standpoint yes, from a communicable illness standpoint the edge might be to office workers who work in close proximity. In the warehouses the forklift drivers can easily keep separate from each other, the place is big. But I am in relatively close contact with my managers and clerks most of the day, that is where the illnesses spread the most.

One thing I just thought of though to go against my argument is that maybe blue collar workers need the sick days more than white collar because most white collar workers have jobs that they can safely half assed perform while sick and/or medicated. Blue collar worker jobs are typically more physically demanding and therefore harder to do when you are under the weather and more dangerous too. Especially if medicated.

 

[LogGrad98]

One thing I just thought of though to go against my argument is that maybe blue collar workers need the sick days more than white collar because most white collar workers have jobs that they can safely half assed perform while sick and/or medicated. Blue collar worker jobs are typically more physically demanding and therefore harder to do when you are under the weather and more dangerous too. Especially if medicated.

This is true too.

 

[mongoose01]

Found this interesting: The vote to add seven paid sick days for workers, needed 60 votes to pass and fell short with a 52-43 total. Six Republicans -- Lindsey Graham, Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Michael Braun and John Kennedy -- voted to add sick leave while one Democrat, Joe Manchin, voted no.

So looks like according to my math there were 52 yes, lets side with the workers votes. 6 republicans were part of that 52. That would mean that 46 democrats were part of that group.
Then you have 43 no, lets side with the big rich corporation votes. 1 was a democrat (who seems to be more of a DINO anyway) and 36 were republicans.

So it looks to me like the democratic party mostly sided with the workers and the republicans mostly sided with the rich corporation. Which shouldn't surprise anyone.

So the democratic portion of the biden administration sided with the workers and wanted them to get what they wanted. Unfortunately there are a bunch of republicans who are a part of the biden administration as well who were able to thwart the democrats.

Any comments on the vote tally @Mongoose ?

I’m somewhat surprised that there was this much support, but there is still no guarantee it would have made it through the democrat controlled congress. Why not vote to extend the cooling off period?
If you think the democrats are above BS games, you’re crazy.
The student loan forgiveness and dropping federal marijuana charges are just a few examples. One Biden made sure would be tied up in court for a very long time and the other did exactly nothing for anyone. They were good headlines for a day though.


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[fishonjazz]

I’m somewhat surprised that there was this much support, but there is still no guarantee it would have made it through the democrat controlled congress. Why not vote to extend the cooling off period?
If you think the democrats are above BS games, you’re crazy.
The student loan forgiveness and dropping federal marijuana charges are just a few examples. One Biden made sure would be tied up in court for a very long time and the other did exactly nothing for anyone. They were good headlines for a day though.


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So you agree that the Biden and the democratic part of his administration were for the workers in this case and thats a good thing? And you agree that the republicans were in the wrong here?

As for the student loan forgiveness and dropping marijuana charges are games that do nothing for anyone. I think those who wouldn't have to pay student loans would feel like it is doing something for them. I also think that dropping federal marijuana charges would be a good thing for those who have been charged with federal marijuana charges. As for something being tied up in court, do you think that Biden is taking himself to court?

Also are you (mongoose01) and mongoose the same person?

 

[Gameface]

Ya he sucks. Nice enough dude but a horrible hourly employee (one of the worst ever) and a horrible manager as well.

I guess I dont know how to game the system or something because a few years ago I had pink eye (very contagious, painful, and makes it difficult to work) and I had a doctors note and got an occurrence. Same thing when I had the flu. I have used a doctors note to only get 1 occurrence instead of 2 when I missed 2 days in a row due to sickness though.
Years ago we had 1 paid sick day per year. Most people didn't even use it for being sick though. Myself included. I remember 1 time a group of friends were going to wendover and i wanted to go but had to work so I used my sick day. It was great. I understand why empoyers dont want us to have them though as it basically turns into unscheduled vacation time for many people. Which is hard to find coverage for.

I left out an important thing I wanted to say. The "no-fault" occurrence policy is actually an "It's always your fault" occurrence policy. Getting points is a punishment, there's no two ways about that. Same guy as I told the story about had a rollover accident on his way to work with his wife in the car, went to the ER and the car was totaled. He got an occurrence for that one. Probably part of the reason he learned to game the system.

He got his current position over a few people I thought were better options because the other candidates said they'd be like mentors and supporters to the employees and he flat out said in his interview that he'd be more like an enforcer. I always got a kick out of him because I never had to deal with him directly in a work capacity. He straight up says out loud things that make him an incredibly huge ******* but he is oblivious to the fact that he's a raging *******. He thinks he's telling stories about how right he is and how clever he is but he is the villain even from the way he tells it.

Both him and another guy I'll call hip hop albino got into their salary positions and both were regulars in Gustavo's poker games (as was I). I never felt like that was a coincidence.

 

[fishonjazz]

I left out an important thing I wanted to say. The "no-fault" occurrence policy is actually an "It's always your fault" occurrence policy. Getting points is a punishment, there's no two ways about that. Same guy as I told the story about had a rollover accident on his way to work with his wife in the car, went to the ER and the car was totaled. He got an occurrence for that one. Probably part of the reason he learned to game the system.

He got his current position over a few people I thought were better options because the other candidates said they'd be like mentors and supporters to the employees and he flat out said in his interview that he'd be more like an enforcer. I always got a kick out of him because I never had to deal with him directly in a work capacity. He straight up says out loud things that make him an incredibly huge ******* but he is oblivious to the fact that he's a raging *******. He thinks he's telling stories about how right he is and how clever he is but he is the villain even from the way he tells it.

Both him and another guy I'll call hip hop albino got into their salary positions and both were regulars in Gustavo's poker games (as was I). I never felt like that was a coincidence.

Ya and the second guy is a horrible manager too. His ego is one of the biggest I ever met. He thinks he should rule the world and he manages in that way as well. They both shouldn't have their positions imo but I think you are right that part of the reason they got their positions is their willingness to be dicks to the employees and even the fact that I think they kind of like to be dicks to their employees. Plus the poker games im sure helped.
There is new one that is similar to the former two. He seems to get enjoyment out of disciplining the hourly folks.

 

[mongoose01]

So you agree that the Biden and the democratic part of his administration were for the workers in this case and thats a good thing? And you agree that the republicans were in the wrong here?

As for the student loan forgiveness and dropping marijuana charges are games that do nothing for anyone. I think those who wouldn't have to pay student loans would feel like it is doing something for them. I also think that dropping federal marijuana charges would be a good thing for those who have been charged with federal marijuana charges. As for something being tied up in court, do you think that Biden is taking himself to court?

Also are you (mongoose01) and mongoose the same person?

Ya I don’t know why I’m one thing from my phone and another from my computer.

 

[Gameface]

Ya I don’t know why I’m one thing from my phone and another from my computer.

Some friendly advice, you might want to contact the admins about that. Having multiple accounts is a banable thing, but if it is an honest mistake I'm sure they'd work with you on it.

 

[Mongoose]

neither are you- so quit responding to me then. I think you just hate seeing anything negative about democrats posted here.
Not attacking folks for pointing out democrats flaws would be a good start. Maybe even go so far as to acknowledge some flaws.
I apologize for not including a couple of letters and typing democrat instead of democratic-I didn't know it was such a sensitive thing for ya'll die hard warmongering dems

Some friendly advice, you might want to contact the admins about that. Having multiple accounts is a banable thing, but if it is an honest mistake I'm sure they'd work with you on it.

Cool! I hope they ban me- I waste too much time here. I don't post much from my phone anyway.