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Game Thread Dec 10, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz at Nuggets

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Kessler is paid 2.6 million, 2.8 million, 2.9 million and 4.8 million and we control his rights for like the next 7 years iirc. He is 21 years old.

He might be the most valuable asset we got in the trades we made. Obviously we have a ton of picks that might be better but kessler is right at the top currently. Lauri is the better player for sure but when you account for age and contract kessler might be the better asset


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^ He has played great, but his level of effectiveness is nothing close to the same level of the Finnishers job or a guards job on this team. He is a rook and getting minutes on a roster where other rooks who were as NBA ready as him can't get garbage time. He is doing well, but he is not going to equate to more wins playing more.
 
Eddie Zero said:
less is more? I think his legs would not sustain it, maybe they would, but rook bigs don't fair well on a full grind for 82+
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So do you have some stats that show that his play declines as the game goes on?


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fishonjazz said:
So do you have some stats that show that his play declines as the game goes on?


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not what I meant. How many minutes does he get if thos roster had a legit 5? maybe 10? He is being thrown in the fire and doing fine in a very limitted role. His defense is why he is playing. That takes a lot of effort and I don't see him being some freak athlete that can just play 40 min a game at high intensity for that stretch without being unavailable on back to backs and then they lose because he didn't play at all with no viable replacement. He can play 5 more max without burnout
 
fishonjazz said:
I mean Kessler is basically our second best player already (Lauri is our best) if you are talking about production and consistency.

If you want to win then you play your best players more. I domt care who the opponent is, i dont care who else is on the floor. Kessler has played better than everyone not named Lauri and should be on the court more.

Last night was probably Olynyks season low in minutes (16) and we just so happen to have our best game of the season and won the game primarily by defense and rebounding (we outrebounded them by 16!)
Kessler had 16 rebounds (6 offensive) and vando had 14 (8 offensive)

Maybe playing those two together more (and playing olynyk less) can actually work. Maybe we can win by outworking teams and defending teams and crashing the glass. Having conley/NAW, clarkson/beasely, and Lauri/KO out there with vando and kessler would provide enough spacing. Vando is a ball mover and a good cutter and kessler can set good screens and rim run and finish. Then of course we would be much better defensively. Those things have value too.

All I know is that kessler has played himself into the second best player on the team imo. Dude knows his role and plays it perfectly. I would love to see if he can handle more.

I just looked up his stats. He is shooting a ridiculous 73% from the field! For context, that is a way better field goal % than rudy gobert ever had in any of his 10 seasons.

Kessler is averaging 4 blocks per 36. Goberts best season for blocks per 36 is 3.4.

Dude is killing it yet cant seem to ever get more than 22-23 minutes in a game. (Averages 16.9). He almost never gets in foul trouble despite his amazing defense. I remember someone posted a stat a few games ago that we are the best defense in the league when kessler is on the court. Thats crazy. Many of his stats are crazy. He is basically already prime rudy gobert as a rookie.
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Funny fact. Vando and Kessler still havent played together at all. They sub for each other... every... single.. time.

Its crazy Hardy hasnt even tried them on the court at the same time. I feel like there must be a more valid reason other than "they dont fit".

But as long as that continues, we are at a stalemate with their minutes...
 
HermanG said:
Funny fact. Vando and Kessler still havent played together at all. They sub for each other... every... single.. time.

Its crazy Hardy hasnt even tried them on the court at the same time. I feel like there must be a more valid reason other than "they dont fit".

But as long as that continues, we are at a stalemate with their minutes...
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Yep.
Its very strange. We have had so many guys play this season and have had a bunch of guys miss time and have had garbage time and foul trouble and games where we cant get a rebound or a stop in like an entire quarter. Its nuts that they have zero time together.


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fishonjazz said:
Kessler is paid 2.6 million, 2.8 million, 2.9 million and 4.8 million and we control his rights for like the next 7 years iirc. He is 21 years old.

He might be the most valuable asset we got in the trades we made. Obviously we have a ton of picks that might be better but kessler is right at the top currently. Lauri is the better player for sure but when you account for age and contract kessler might be the better asset


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He might be the 2nd or 3rd most valuable player for us period, especially as the season and his career progresses. His biggest strength, imo, is in 2 parts: 1) his poise under pressure. He didn't let Zion posterizing him get him down, he just focused on his game and was a real game-changer for us, and 2) his ability to learn and adjust, and make the best use of his brand of athleticism. He is more athletic than I think he gets credit for, as he is stereotypically shoe-horned is as the "slow big white guy", which is unfair. He uses his body really really well, and has an innate sense for where he is on the court, which is tough, if not impossible, to learn effectively, and you can see him making adjustments as he goes. His BBIQ is better than advertised as well. Impressive all the way around for what he was "supposed" to be.
 
LogGrad98 said:
He might be the 2nd or 3rd most valuable player for us period, especially as the season and his career progresses. His biggest strength, imo, is in 2 parts: 1) his poise under pressure. He didn't let Zion posterizing him get him down, he just focused on his game and was a real game-changer for us, and 2) his ability to learn and adjust, and make the best use of his brand of athleticism. He is more athletic than I think he gets credit for, as he is stereotypically shoe-horned is as the "slow big white guy", which is unfair. He uses his body really really well, and has an innate sense for where he is on the court, which is tough, if not impossible, to learn effectively, and you can see him making adjustments as he goes. His BBIQ is better than advertised as well. Impressive all the way around for what he was "supposed" to be.
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I don't know who thought he didn't have an elite bbiq before the draft, but clearly that was wrong. It is his biggest attribute based on his awareness defensively early on, able to get minutes however is based on positional need more than anything. We could be singing the praises of Agbaji a 4 year college champion right now, if there was not a logjam of wings in front of him based on seniority. His IQ is even higher. But yet he never plays
 
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