The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[Bucknutz]

I said "elementary schools that go up to 7th-8th grade", i.e., that cover the traditional middle schools years. The libraries of these schools are typically sorted by grade level.

So you're fine with a third grader going into the library and pull out these books? This isn't the old video rental shops where they had the "adult" section in the back room.

"Helpful, accurate information about sexual topics should be available ... 7th-8th grade. What's your objection?" I await your objection.

What class will bring up or should bring up and demonstrate butt plugs? Health/PE? Why should teachers bring up butt plugs and explain the use to all kids in a class? That's my objection. There is no reason in middle school to bring up these topics. There should be no reason to bring bdsm and what it covers with 5-13 year olds. Anatomy and Sex ed should have basic topics at that age. Again why should this book be in the same library were all ages can find it. You're fine with an 8 year old reading this material?

I don't see a reason to expose kids in 5th grade or lower to it.

You didn't answer the question. Are you for banning this book in elementary schools?

You don't understand the importance of kids reading books that discuss the things kids talk about? I'm not sure where the disconnect is, so you'd have to clarify your objections further before I could explain.

In a graphic way? There's much more to this book. It's called "This one summer". Why is it in schools with 5-11 year olds? It's rated for 12+. 13 copies were in elementary schools. Where do you not see the disconnect? I have explained this to you.




You obviously don't have any objection to have pornography in elementary schools. You have stated this twice. You know how you love to call people transphobes. Im going to start calling you a pedophile and a groomer. I mean you dont see what the disconnect or objection is. Your fine with teachers talking to 8 year olds about how to use butt plugs, or oral sex or rape, your promoting grooming.

 

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So you're fine with a third grader going into the library and pull out these books? This isn't the old video rental shops where they had the "adult" section in the back room.

I don't know about schools in Florida, but it also isn't kids running around the library unsupervised around here.

What class will bring up or should bring up and demonstrate butt plugs? Health/PE? Why should teachers bring up butt plugs and explain the use to all kids in a class?

Why did you move the discussion from a library to a classroom?

You didn't answer the question. Are you for banning this book in elementary schools?

I think the topics are too advanced for 5th graders.

It's rated for 12+. 13 copies were in elementary schools. Where do you not see the disconnect? I have explained this to you.

12+ would be 7th grade on up. If the elementary schools go up to 7th and 8th graders (as mine did), I could see it on the shelves there.

You obviously don't have any objection to have pornography in elementary schools.

We haven't been discussing pornography at all. We've been discussing a presentation of information, two graphic novels, and one picture of a book. Pornography has the primary purpose of titillation, and I don't see anything titillating in what you've presented.

You have stated this twice. You know how you love to call people transphobes. Im going to start calling you a pedophile and a groomer.

If you like; certainly all of the left-of-center members here have been called those words collectively by the likes of JazzyFresh and SteakNEggs. I certainly won't expect that you're using those terms counter to how they are defined to stop you, nor expect you to care about false accusations regarding me.

I mean you dont see what the disconnect or objection is. Your fine with teachers talking to 8 year olds about how to use butt plugs, or oral sex or rape, your promoting grooming.

8-years-olds get molested, which is the rape of child. Every time you talk about stranger-danger, you're talking about rape.

I don't think there are a large number of 8-year-olds in the 7th and 8th grade classes or in their sections at elementary school libraries.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

We haven't been discussing pornography at all. We've been discussing a presentation of information, two graphic novels, and one picture of a book. Pornography has the primary purpose of titillation, and I don't see anything titillating in what you've presented.

That definition perfectly describes the material posted in this thread. Yes, we are talking about pornography and providing it to elementary-aged children in school libraries.

 

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That definition perfectly describes the material posted in this thread. Yes, we are talking about pornography and providing it to elementary-aged children in school libraries.

You're so terrible at this, you left in the comma, indicating there was more to see. D- trolling.



Again, nothing in those pictures/passages stimulated erotic feelings in me. Did they do that for you?

 

[Gameface]

You're so terrible at this, you left in the comma, indicating there was more to see. D- trolling.

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Again, nothing in those pictures/passages stimulated erotic feelings in me. Did they do that for you?

Welp AIO is a straight up malicious liar. We have the receipts. Who could have guessed?

****ing clown.

I've shown my *** on this website more times than I can count, but I've never destroyed my integrity anywhere close to this. If I did I would quietly go away and try to forget I ever had a jazzfanz.com account tbpfhwy.

 

[Gameface]

Oh, since we're doing definitions, here's one I found for a malicious lie

The statement must be published maliciously. Malice is defined as a statement made by a party who knows that the statement is false or is reckless as to its truth. Being negligent as to the truth of the statement is not enough, or if the words are published in good faith, even if they are false.

AIO knew his statement was false. He intended to defame our friend One Brow with this known misrepresentation. He absolutely intended to mislead other forum users with a purposefully incorrect, in fact manipulated representation that was presented as coming from an authoritative source.

The word scumbag comes to my mind at this very moment.

 

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@Mods

You know how I have 4 banners under my name for being a paid user and a 3 time all jazzfanz winner? Well I think @AI-O-Meter needs a "liar liar pants on fire" banner hung on his profile. It seems more than appropriate.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

nothing in those pictures/passages stimulated erotic feelings in me. Did they do that for you?

If you are going to argue intentions, then it isn't you or me that matter. It is the intentions of the producer of the work, and the producer of this work has been crystal clear the intended audience is the demographic that would find one boy blowing another to be sexually arousing. Even by the definition you want to use, it is still pornography.

 

[Bucknutz]

I think the topics are too advanced for 5th graders.

I asked you twice and you still will not answer the question. Some vague response, trying to answer but actually not. So it’s a waste of time to debate you.

Just because you are not being titillating by the books doesn’t mean others are not. You’re probably desensitized having lived a long life. Others who are starting to get those feelings and looking at graphic books might get them all worked up. So yes it’s pornography to some. Safetydan called it porn right from the start.

 

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If you are going to argue intentions, then it isn't you or me that matter. It is the intentions of the producer of the work, and the producer of this work has been crystal clear the intended audience is the demographic that would find one boy blowing another to be sexually arousing. Even by the definition you want to use, it is still pornography.

Your credibility here is zero. In a quick search, I saw a lot of conservatives calling it sexually arousing, which is pretty creepy IMO. I didn't find anywhere Kobabe said so.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Your credibility here is zero. In a quick search, I saw a lot of conservatives calling it sexually arousing, which is pretty creepy IMO. I didn't find anywhere Kobabe said so.

Then you didn't look very hard. Kobabe is all over everywhere saying the book was intended for a young gay and non-binary audience. It was intended for the target demographic what would find one boy blowing another to be arousing. Even by the definition you want to use, it is still pornography.

 

[One Brow]

I asked you twice and you still will not answer the question. Some vague response, trying to answer but actually not. So it’s a waste of time to debate you.

I've been very clear that I don't have an issue with the material being available for 7th and 8th graders, and it is not appropriate for 5th graders (which you quoted me on). I've been clear that the answer for elementary school libraries depends upon whether the school has 7th-8th grade. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to understand the concepts. I think you're getting emotionally overwrought.

Just because you are not being titillating by the books doesn’t mean others are not. You’re probably desensitized having lived a long life. Others who are starting to get those feelings and looking at graphic books might get them all worked up. So yes it’s pornography to some. Safetydan called it porn right from the start.

I see. I agree you should stop debating this with me, and work through your feelings.

 

[Bucknutz]

Then you didn't look very hard. Kobabe is all over everywhere saying the book was intended for a young gay and non-binary audience. It was intended for the target demographic what would find one boy blowing another to be arousing. Even by the definition you want to use, it is still pornography.

Crazy, let’s see the intended readers age…


Oh adults…why is it schools? Why does a 13 year old need this book to be in the public school library? Why can’t they get it somewhere else if they really need to read it?

 

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Then you didn't look very hard. Kobabe is all over everywhere saying the book was intended for a young gay and non-binary audience.

I agree on the intended audience. That doesn't support the intention to write a sexually explicit book. For most people, knowing that people are gay and/or non-binary is not sexually arousing in and of itself. Maybe that's your kink?

It was intended for the target demographic what would find one boy blowing another to be arousing.

You have provided zero evidence for this, as expected.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I saw a lot of conservatives calling it sexually arousing, which is pretty creepy IMO.

As a side note, I'm disappointed that you aren't more open and have resorted to gay bashing those who may be exploring some things.

 

[Bucknutz]

I've been very clear that I don't have an issue with the material being available for 7th and 8th graders, and it is not appropriate for 5th graders (which you quoted me on). I've been clear that the answer for elementary school libraries depends upon whether the school has 7th-8th grade. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to understand the concepts. I think you're getting emotionally overwrought.

You still didn’t answer the question for the third time. Calling out people for not being credible. You have 0 credibility. You cant even answer a basic question. I’ll ask you again, one last time.

Should this book be banned in elementary schools?

I see. I agree you should stop debating this with me, and work through your feelings.

Stupid reply with no substance. More evidence of your 0 credibility.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You have provided zero evidence for this, as expected.

I've provided zero evidence that individuals who are gay sexually would find graphic images depicting gay sex to be arousing? Uh, okay.

 

[One Brow]

Gender Queer: A Memoir - Wikipedia

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Oh adults…why is it schools? Why does a 13 year old need this book to be in the public school library? Why can’t they get it somewhere else if they really need to read it?

Schools often go younger than the intended audience. Shakespeare was intended for adults, but I studied him in high school. Edgar Allen Poe, also.

Genderqueer is not nearly as explicit as the Bible, AFAICT. I've never seen you say the Bible should not be in a school library.

 

[One Brow]

You still didn’t answer the question for the third time. Calling out people for not being credible. You have 0 credibility. You cant even answer a basic question. I’ll ask you again, one last time.

Should this book be banned in elementary schools?

If the elementary school stops at 5th grade, it should not be there. If the elementary school goes up to 7th or 8th grade, I don't have a problem with it there. What part of this answer is lacking?

Stupid reply with no substance. More evidence of your 0 credibility.

I know you're smarter than you're acting right now.

 

[Bucknutz]

Gender Queer: A Memoir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Schools often go younger than the intended audience. Shakespeare was intended for adults, but I studied him in high school. Edgar Allen Poe, also.

Genderqueer is not nearly as explicit as the Bible, AFAICT. I've never seen you say the Bible should not be in a school library.

Easy, the Bible should not be in a Public school library. In religion classes, there should be some/many.

See how easy it is to answer a question. If you’re at a religious private school, then yes they should have them in the library. Just to clarify.