Utes 2011 Football Discussion

[Scat]

Not at all. It removes the option of you blindly guessing. If you're going to label me a homer, lets see if you're qualified to do that. Or if you just want to call me a homer because you think it makes you look cool to the haters.

Calling me a homer and then throwing out some blind guess is not an option that I support. Lets see what you really know.

And before you even try to go there, I already said I'd be happy to do the same with BYU. The catch is we both have to pick our team (Utah for me, BYU for you) in the head to head match up. You already said you think BYU has a better than average chance to win, so that shouldn't be a problem.

For what it's worth, even other Utah fans have repeatedly called you a homer. That's saying something.

I'm not betting anything with you. You have too many rules that stack the deck in your favor.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I see nothing about the offense here.

But good on ya for predicting they'll win at least 1 game. Ballsy.

Oh really? Let me point it out for you:

Northern Colorado, Utah State, and BYU are the out of conference games. lol, we're really scheduling like a BCS team now.

Conference games are the same as this year, except in the other stadium.

All jokes aside, looking at that schedule I don't see how Utah loses more than 2 regular season games (if that). And if the offense gets itself together, Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season (at least in the regular season). It's pretty early and all, but I bet even the haters will find a hard time going on record and predicting more than 2 of these games as losses:

Thur., Aug. 30
Northern Colorado at Utah

Sat. Sept. 8
Utah at Utah State

Sat., Sept. 15
BYU at Utah

Sat., Sept. 22
Utah at Arizona State

Sat., Sept. 29
Bye

Thurs., Oct. 4
USC at Utah

Sat., Oct. 13
Utah at UCLA

Sat., Oct. 20
Utah at Oregon State

Sat., Oct. 27
California at Utah

Sat., Nov. 3
Washington State at Utah

Sat., Nov. 10
Utah at Washington

Sat., Nov. 17
Arizona at Utah

Fri., Nov. 23
Utah at Colorado

Fri., Nov. 30
Pac-12 Championship Game

 

[SaltyDawg]

For what it's worth, even other Utah fans have repeatedly called you a homer. That's saying something.

I'm not betting anything with you. You have too many rules that stack the deck in your favor.

How do the rules stack the deck in my favor? I'm willing to make the same predictions for BYU losses that I am asking you to make for Utah. And I am willing to make Utah win predictions as long as you make BYU win predictions.

Seems like the deck is pretty equal there.

 

[Scat]

How do the rules stack the deck in my favor? I'm willing to make the same predictions for BYU losses that I am asking you to make for Utah. And I am willing to make Utah win predictions as long as you make BYU win predictions.

Apples and oranges. What does BYU have to do with this? We are betting on Utah's success, not BYU's.

Seems like the deck is pretty equal there.

So if I pick USC, Washington and Colorado as losses but Utah loses to USC, Washinton & OSU I lose the bet even though you were wrong in saying that they'd have at most, 2 losses? Can you not see the stupidity of me making that bet or how it works in your favor?

Again, you say Utah has a maximum of 2 losses, I say Utah has a minimum of 3. That is the bet. So simple. So easy. Take it or leave it.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

But this isn't, and has never been about me just flat out picking 10 Utah wins.

There, was that so hard.
You don't think the Utes will win 10 games.

I had to do a bit of wading, but it's nice to have you finally admit you will not put money on picking 10 Utah wins, because deep down you know it won't happen.

 

[bigb]

So, let me make sure I understand:
Salty wants to bet one of two things. Either Utah doesn't lose more than two games (which he'll bet right now), but the other party has to pick the exact three games they'll lose, or he bets they'll go undefeated (but he want to wait until they hire a new OC).
Salty won't take the opposite of the first bet. He won't pick the ten or eleven games Utah will win. He just want to say they'll win. If the other person won't specify which games they lose, no bet.
Yup, sounds about right for Salty. He'll only do things his way, no highway option.


Tell you what Salty. I'll bet you $50 right here and now that Utah doesn't go undefeated next season. I don't care if God Himself comes down to be the OC. They will not go undefeated. I'll even give you the option to cancel the bet based on one injury throughout the year. You don't need to name the injury right now. You can name it after it happens. Any player, any game. You name the injury after it happens, and starting the next game, the bet is off. Deal?

 

[SaltyDawg]

Apples and oranges. What does BYU have to do with this? We are betting on Utah's success, not BYU's.

We're betting to find out if I'm really a homer, or if you're just a hater. You throwing out a blind guess doesn't answer that question. So to make things equal, I'm willing to go on record and predict BYU losses too.

So if I pick USC, Washington and Colorado as losses but Utah loses to USC, Washinton & OSU I lose the bet even though you were wrong in saying that they'd have at most, 2 losses? Can you not see the stupidity of me making that bet or how it works in your favor?

You'd lose the bet because you didn't know what the heck you were talking about when you called me a homer for predicting no more than 2 losses. Yes, you may have got lucky and ended up with the right answer. But this isn't about getting lucky and ending up with the right answer. It's about if there is any logic and reasoning for you calling me a homer, or if you just do it to be cool with the rest of the haters.

Again, you say Utah has a maximum of 2 losses, I say Utah has a minimum of 3. That is the bet. So simple. So easy. Take it or leave it.

So tell me the losses and we're good. And if you don't like those odds, we can go double or nothing and I'll pick 3 BYU losses. We each take our team in head to head though.

 

[SaltyDawg]

There, was that so hard.
You don't think the Utes will win 10 games.

I had to do a bit of wading, but it's nice to have you finally admit you will not put money on picking 10 Utah wins, because deep down you know it won't happen.

I said I'll pick 10 Utah wins as long as we also bet on 10 BYU wins.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I said I'll pick 10 Utah wins as long as we also bet on 10 BYU wins.

As a third-party poster who does not give two ****s about college football, this proposition makes absolutely zero sense Salty. I figured that you might be filtering out the others remarks because they have a history of humiliating your or something, but I honestly cannot fathom why BYU is being factored into this bet when really, everyone is predicting how good Utah will be next year.

 

[Scat]

You'd lose the bet because you didn't know what the heck you were talking about when you called me a homer for predicting no more than 2 losses. Yes, you may have got lucky and ended up with the right answer. But this isn't about getting lucky and ending up with the right answer. It's about if there is any logic and reasoning for you calling me a homer, or if you just do it to be cool with the rest of the haters.

This works both ways. If you are so knowledgable you should be able to tell us who the wins are against and who the potential losses are likely to be. To argue that this onus does not fall on you makes you the homer you claim not to be. As you point out, anyone can make a random prediction and without specifics you are just pulling numbers out of your ***.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So, let me make sure I understand:
Salty wants to bet one of two things. Either Utah doesn't lose more than two games (which he'll bet right now), but the other party has to pick the exact three games they'll lose, or he bets they'll go undefeated (but he want to wait until they hire a new OC).
Salty won't take the opposite of the first bet. He won't pick the ten or eleven games Utah will win. He just want to say they'll win. If the other person won't specify which games they lose, no bet.
Yup, sounds about right for Salty. He'll only do things his way, no highway option.


Tell you what Salty. I'll bet you $50 right here and now that Utah doesn't go undefeated next season. I don't care if God Himself comes down to be the OC. They will not go undefeated. I'll even give you the option to cancel the bet based on one injury throughout the year. You don't need to name the injury right now. You can name it after it happens. Any player, any game. You name the injury after it happens, and starting the next game, the bet is off. Deal?

Boy you BYU fans sure do liek to make up your own version of reality. That is not how the situation is...

To clarify:
I am sick of being called a homer by a bunch of clowns who don;t know jack about college football. So I predicted no more than 2 losses. And all the clowns that liek to call me a homer, can jump all over it. But they should be prepared to demonstrate their own knowledge when they do.

I said I'll be happy to pick 3 BYU losses at the same time. And fi I am picking Utah wins, then I'll be happy to do that too as long as the hater picks 10 BYU wins. And we each take our team in the head to game. This prevents ties, allows us to bet on the rivalry game, and evens the odds a bit since BYU has a much easier schedule.

But no, I am not refusing to take the opposite of the bet. I will gladly take it.

 

[GVC]

To sum it all up, salty's bold prediction is that Utah will win at least one game. He's probably right.

 

[SaltyDawg]

As a third-party poster who does not give two ****s about college football, this proposition makes absolutely zero sense Salty. I figured that you might be filtering out the others remarks because they have a history of humiliating your or something, but I honestly cannot fathom why BYU is being factored into this bet when really, everyone is predicting how good Utah will be next year.

The bet is about seeing who really knows what they pretend to know. BYU was brought in because most of these haters are BYU fans.

We're not predicting how well Utah does this year, that's where you're wrong. We're seeing who really knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.

I predict no more than 2 losses.
Some jackass who like to always call me a homer uses it as ammo.
I then ask him to show me where I am wrong, without just blindly throwing out a guess.
Haters don't like this because they know they aren't able to point out where I am wrong. They were hoping to get the odds far enough in their favor where they could blindly guess and get lucky.

And when the haters complain about the deck being stacked against them, I offered to take the exact same bet, but with their BYU team and me making the predictions. That evens the deck. Both of our favorite teams, both of us making predictions.

 

[SaltyDawg]

To sum it all up, salty's bold prediction is that Utah will win at least one game. He's probably right.

Uh, no. My bold prediction was that even the haters would have a hard time picking 3 losses out of that Utah schedule. And I was obviously right.

 

[GVC]

You said no more than 2 losses, they said more than 2 losses. How are they doing any less/more than you?

 

[GVC]

Uh, no. My bold prediction was that even the haters would have a hard time picking 3 losses out of that Utah schedule. And I was obviously right.

Because they figure Utah will win at least one game, they just aren't certain which game it will be.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I said I'll pick 10 Utah wins as long as we also bet on 10 BYU wins.

Exactly, the only way you make that bet is to hedge it with what you think is a sure thing.
You have very succinctly stated you do not believe Utah will win 10 games.

I think I'm starting to understand your language. Yikes, I've got to get out of this thread, it's ruining me.

 

[SaltyDawg]

This works both ways. If you are so knowledgable you should be able to tell us who the wins are against and who the potential losses are likely to be. To argue that this onus does not fall on you makes you the homer you claim not to be. As you point out, anyone can make a random prediction and without specifics you are just pulling numbers out of your ***.

Like I said, I will list my 10 wins. But you have to list your 10 BYU wins too. Which should be much easier, since they play a much crappier schedule. And we have to take our teams in the head to head. That way there are no ties and it keeps the rivalry interesting. And that shouldn't be a problem, since you already said you think BYU has a better than average chance to win.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Because they figure Utah will win at least one game, they just aren't certain which game it will be.

If they aren't certain, then they have no business labeling me as a delusional homer, or labeling Utah as the Colorado State of the Pac 12.

 

[CONAN]

Yeah, we know where to find you, the local high school, playing with a bunch of teenage boys.

Sounds like smack talk, but we both know it's reality.

Oh was that supposed to be some kind of shot at me? I don't see it. But if you want a real shot at the belt you know where to find me you sackless idiot.