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Sardines said:
I will only ever respond with one thing to you until you answer the question. If you can't we have nothing to talk about.

Here it is:

You play the stupidest word games I've ever seen. Your position is like vapor.

How big a chunk should Ukraine give up to Russia for being the victim of Russia invading them? If they don't have to give a part of their country away as a consequence of being a victim then there's no purpose of peace negotiations because all that has to happen is Russia leaving. So you want to throw a fit because I said "huge chunks" and you claim you never supported huge chunks. And you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. So let's have it straight from the horses mouth then. How many square miles of Ukraine does Russia deserve for invading them? What portion? The Luhansk Region? Crimea? What part does Russia deserve if they agree to stop (for now) their invasion of Ukraine.

I only read up to the point that you accused me of putting words in your mouth, so let's get that part nailed down nice and tight before we move on since you like to play word games.
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No you accused me of something I did not say. This is extremely cowardly. I said no such thing. Now back your lie up.
 
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MVP said:
You are really not well educated on the subject, aren't you? Russia is way more racist, fascist and corrupt than Ukraine and yes it is well documented of atrocities they committed in Ukraine war like rape of underage Ukrainian girls, castrating male captive soldiers and killing innocent civilians.
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And that's absolutely disgusting. I have never once, not once, not even an iota said Russia is great. I have continually called Russia garbage, corrupt and terrible. Hell, I even compared what Palestine did to Russia already. WTF are you talking about?
 
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SteakNEggs said:
No you accused me of something I did not say. This is extremely cowardly. I said no such thing. Now back your lie up.
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You play the stupidest word games I've ever seen. Your position is like vapor.

How big a chunk should Ukraine give up to Russia for being the victim of Russia invading them? If they don't have to give a part of their country away as a consequence of being a victim then there's no purpose of peace negotiations because all that has to happen is Russia leaving. So you want to throw a fit because I said "huge chunks" and you claim you never supported huge chunks. And you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. So let's have it straight from the horses mouth then. How many square miles of Ukraine does Russia deserve for invading them? What portion? The Luhansk Region? Crimea? What part does Russia deserve if they agree to stop (for now) their invasion of Ukraine.

I only read up to the point that you accused me of putting words in your mouth, so let's get that part nailed down nice and tight before we move on since you like to play word games.
 
Sardines said:
You play the stupidest word games I've ever seen. Your position is like vapor.

How big a chunk should Ukraine give up to Russia for being the victim of Russia invading them? If they don't have to give a part of their country away as a consequence of being a victim then there's no purpose of peace negotiations because all that has to happen is Russia leaving. So you want to throw a fit because I said "huge chunks" and you claim you never supported huge chunks. And you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. So let's have it straight from the horses mouth then. How many square miles of Ukraine does Russia deserve for invading them? What portion? The Luhansk Region? Crimea? What part does Russia deserve if they agree to stop (for now) their invasion of Ukraine.

I only read up to the point that you accused me of putting words in your mouth, so let's get that part nailed down nice and tight before we move on since you like to play word games.
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I never said Ukraine should give up a chunk. You're a liar. There's your answer. You are flat out lying.
 
SteakNEggs said:
I never said Ukraine should give up a chunk. You're a liar. There's your answer. You are flat out lying.
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You play the stupidest word games I've ever seen. Your position is like vapor.

How big a chunk should Ukraine give up to Russia for being the victim of Russia invading them? If they don't have to give a part of their country away as a consequence of being a victim then there's no purpose of peace negotiations because all that has to happen is Russia leaving. So you want to throw a fit because I said "huge chunks" and you claim you never supported huge chunks. And you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. So let's have it straight from the horses mouth then. How many square miles of Ukraine does Russia deserve for invading them? What portion? The Luhansk Region? Crimea? What part does Russia deserve if they agree to stop (for now) their invasion of Ukraine.

I only read up to the point that you accused me of putting words in your mouth, so let's get that part nailed down nice and tight before we move on since you like to play word games.
 
MVP said:
You are really not well educated on the subject, aren't you? Russia is way more racist, fascist and corrupt than Ukraine and yes it is well documented of atrocities they committed in Ukraine war like rape of underage Ukrainian girls, castrating male captive soldiers and killing innocent civilians.
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I find them both vile and I've admitted this. You guys just love to fabricate the opinion you think I have instead of actually read what I do have. Russia is garbage. Russia invading Ukraine is garbage. Ukraine is Garbage. Israel is garbage. I don't want anything to do with any of these needless decades(centuries in some fashion) long endless conflicts. Nothing. I actually compared the two terrible invasions to one another as far as how disgusting they are.
SteakNEggs said:
Yeah, just like Russia and Ukraine, neither of these sides are completely innocent and have been conflicted for... well actually Ukraine and Russia for much much longer than Israel and Palestine. Same difference to me personally. And yeah, Palestine is the epitome of human rights you're right...(blatant facetiousness they are hardly better than Russia in lack of basic human rights but hey who cares right?)

So do you support Biden saying he will give Israel "all appropriate means of support"?
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This is me asking sardine if he supports another needless war. Unlike him I can back myself up with post.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, I think regardless of you accidentally killing civilians vs purposefully is the same. It's a dumb distinction to try and justify one.

If a foreign country killed your family in an a bombing but they were "like ah **** bro, our bad, just a bit of a miscalculation on the coordinates" you'd feel the same.
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It's a huge distinction. If a bomb accidentally hit my family vs some people captured my family and tortured them and raped them and chopped their heads off I would feel differently in those scenarios.
 
SteakNEggs said:
And that's absolutely disgusting. I have never once, not once, not even an iota said Russia is great. I have continually called Russia garbage, corrupt and terrible. Hell, I even compared what Palestine did to Russia already. WTF are you talking about?
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Read what you posted geez....
 
SteakNEggs said:
I find them both vile and I've admitted this. You guys just love to fabricate the opinion you think I have instead of actually read what I do have. Russia is garbage. Russia invading Ukraine is garbage. Ukraine is Garbage.
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How is Ukraine garbage compared to Russia? Did they invade anybody and occupied their lands? Did they try to capture Russian children and turn them into Ukrainians? You somehow try to justify Russian invasion saying Ukraine is garbage and vile. Kind of like defending rapist because girl wore short skirt or told rapist to **** off. You are terrible human being.
 
MVP said:
How is Ukraine garbage compared to Russia? Did they invade anybody and occupied their lands? Did they try to capture Russian children and turn them into Ukrainians? You somehow try to justify Russian invasion saying Ukraine is garbage and vile. Kind of like defending rapist because girl wore short skirt or told rapist to **** off. You are terrible human being.
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They did fight with Nazi Germany. They still do have a pretty prevalent Nazi presence. Ukraine has made a tremendous amount off of it's corruption over that past decades. It's arguably the most corrupt nation in the world. Just recently they have stopped elections and attacked political opponents. They are run by a fascist dictator that everyone loves for some reason.

There are indeed neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine. This has been overwhelmingly confirmed by nearly every major Western outlet. The fact that analysts are able to dismiss it as propaganda disseminated by Moscow is profoundly disturbing. It is especially disturbing given the current surge of neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe.
thehill.com

The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda

The media should acknowledge the existence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine as much as it acknowledges their existence in America.
thehill.com thehill.com

I answered your question... You may not agree but I answered, now you tell me... What is good about Ukraine specifically? What good things have they done specifically?
 
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SteakNEggs said:
They did fight with Nazi Germany. They still do have a pretty prevalent Nazi presence. Ukraine has made a tremendous amount off of it's corruption over that past decades. It's arguably the most corrupt nation in the world. Just recently they have stopped elections and attacked political opponents. They are run by a fascist dictator that everyone loves for some reason.

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You have no clue what you are talking about and I suggest you look at different sources for your information. You calling Zelensky fascist but completely ignoring to mention how Hitler alike is Putin is the end of me responding to you. Calling Ukraine most corrupt nation when they are invaded by 100 times more corrupt country lead by most blood thirsty land grabbing dictator of 21st century is disgusting. Go on ignore, I have no respect or tolerance for brainwashed people like you.
 
MVP said:
You have no clue what you are talking about and I suggest you look at different sources for your information. You calling Zelensky fascist but completely ignoring to mention how Hitler alike is Putin is the end of me responding to you. Calling Ukraine most corrupt nation when they are invaded by 100 times more corrupt country lead by most blood thirsty land grabbing dictator of 21st century is disgusting. Go on ignore, I have no respect or tolerance for brainwashed people like you.
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Im not arguing that Russia isn't absolutely garbage lol. Putin is a terrible fascist murdering dictator too. I've never said otherwise.

You actually agree with me about Russia is the funny thing. Just because I call Ukraine garbage doesn't mean I support the **** bag Putin. That's you fabricating your own opinion instead of actually paying attention. I have never once said anything remotely good about Putin. My stances is both of these countries are **** holes and American should not be involved in this needless bloodthirsty conflict. Putin is a terrible ruler too, that doesn't need to even be said. Russia like Palestine are needlessly violent. I even quoted that to you and you chose to put your fingers in your ear. I literally quoted myself saying how many Russia is worse than Palestine with human rights. Palestine is terrible. Did you intentionally miss that? Yeah, of course you intentionally missed that.

I agree with you everything about Putin. I have never said anything otherwise.
 
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Fosto said:
The official number of Palestinians killed since 1948 is well over 30000.
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Since 1948? That means you are including the Palestinians killed in the events of Black September which happened in 1970. For those who’ve never heard of Black September, it was a series of events where Egyptian terrorist Yasser Arafat led his Palestinian Fedayeen in an effort to take over Jordan. They grabbed the western regions of Jordan and tried to assassinate King Hussein at least twice.

King Hussein responded by raising an army which included elements of the Pakistan army led by “Butcher of Palestinians” Zia-u-Huq. The Syrian army also invaded Jordan to help hunt down Arafat’s Palestinian Fedayeen, and between all the armies they could have completely wiped out Arafat’s terrorists. In only 11 days the combined armies had the Palestinian Fedayeen penned in to a kill box. Arafat claimed the events of Black September resulted in 25,000 Palestinians killed by the combined Jordanian, Syrian, and Pakistani forces. Maybe if the international community hadn't stepped in to push a ceasefire and diplomacy there would be some babies with their head still attached, and maybe there would be Arabs living in a Gaza Strip that wasn't a hell created by their terrorist government.
 
SteakNEggs said:
I'm not advocating for blood shed like others(fixed). I advocated for Diplomacy and was openly mocked, never once did I say they had to give up huge chunks. You are flat out lying and putting words in my mouth AGAIN dude. I said nothing of the sort. What Russia is doing is ****ed up, I've never said otherwise but are they cutting kids heads off? Are they raping little children? Raping teenage girls and driving around with them dead as trophies? You can't even admit thats wrong. Ukraine is pos country that has historically been racist, fascist and corrupt. Israel is not a shining light either. Palestine, specifically Hamas will straight up kill you for being gay, not wearing a hijab, listening to certain music, or talking bad about authority.

My entire stance is that we do not belong in these needless wars as both Ukraine and Russia are garbage. You are flat out lying and making stuff up sardine. Flat...out...lying....

I don't want us in neither of these conflicts. You even got angry at me when I called the way Palestine treated is people like Russia. Right? Remember that? Remember when I asked if you supported American intervention saying I didn't? I want nothing to do with any of these wars. Ukraine is garbage, Palestine is garbage, Israel is garbage, Russia is garbage. I'm just simply pointing out that Palestine cut babies heads off and some seem completely complacent in that, hell even say they F' around and found out. Cy is openly supporting the actions of Hamas(i don't think hes supporting decapitating babies but their vile actions, he's openly supporting).
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good lord you are as daft as a plank of driftwood
 
fishonjazz said:
What herman said is that civilians are the target in this one. That is what makes it different.
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Palestinian civilians have been targeted for decades. Israel just slow-rolls the brutality so the outrage fades quickly. Israel has created a subject, oppressed, desperate, set-apart population. When a nation does that, violence ensues, as surely as night follows day. I agree with all the condemnations in this thread, but this attack was entirely predictable in the nature of its viciousness.
 
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Palestinian civilians have been targeted for decades. Israel just slow-rolls the brutality so the outrage fades quickly. Israel has created a subject, oppressed, desperate, set-apart population. When a nation does that, violence ensues, as surely as night follows day. I agree with all the condemnations in this thread, but this attack was entirely predictable in the nature of its viciousness.
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Hamas constantly launches rockets and terror type attacks at Israeli civilians once taking power after Israel left Gaza, no surprise given their denial of Israel's right to exist Hamas very happily place their civilians as human shields around their key military positions. They divert funds meant for humanitarian purposes to be used for military purposes. They are an atrocious barbaric organisation. And then Israel overreacts again and again with it's own form of brutalisation. And on and on back and forth, back and forth. I
 
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