Game Thread Jan 18, 2024 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Thunder

[homeytennis]

The Mailman was a horrible freethrow shooter his rookie year. He worked hard on it that first off season and improved greatly.

 

[framer]

1 point per possession is bad. Any team would take that if they could foul all game. Teams on average score 1.15 points per possession. This is specially the case if Kessler has the ball under the basket, where he would average well above 1pt/pos.

Yes, but as I outlined; for your .15 point per possession you are opening yourself up to some serious downside. Overall it just isn't going to be employed as a general strategy against Kessler.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Key got scored on once the whole game.

"Getting scored on" is not the only definition of bad defense.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Yes, but as I outlined; for your .15 point per possession you are opening yourself up to some serious downside. Overall it just isn't going to be employed as a general strategy against Kessler.

Oh yes it will. When the going gets tough, Hack-a-Walker will be employed every time the clock and situation allow it and the other team needs to quickly limit our scoring opportunities while increasing their own. They'll gladly take Kessler's one point (or in many cases, zero) in exchange for the chance to make a 3, for instance.

Foul trouble isn't a factor since it's an end-of-game strategy and you can easily choose the guy who will do the hacking.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Mailman was a horrible freethrow shooter his rookie year. He worked hard on it that first off season and improved greatly.

The issue is that Walker doesnt get there enough to get better off in game reps.

Practice can only do so much if you dont have the cajones to do it under game pressure.

 

[Fosto]

Yes, but as I outlined; for your .15 point per possession you are opening yourself up to some serious downside. Overall it just isn't going to be employed as a general strategy against Kessler.

Over a typical 100 possession game, that's a 15 point loss against an average team. I would absolutely use that strategy each time Kessler had the ball under the basket.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, but as I outlined; for your .15 point per possession you are opening yourself up to some serious downside. Overall it just isn't going to be employed as a general strategy against Kessler.

Why in the **** wouldn't it? Aside from the fact that he just flat out bad at them, he's also a very good defender. If Walker is this difference making elite tier center that some posters here think he is, why wouldnt you as an opposing coach play him off the floor by fouling him?

I think most coaches dont want to do it because it's lame AF and they want to see their defense get game reps, but for games that actually matter the coaches are going to spam it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Imagine getting both Chet and Jalen Williams in the same draft. That's the kind of draft the Jazz need to pull off.

I'll settle for one.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Mailman was a horrible freethrow shooter his rookie year. He worked hard on it that first off season and improved greatly.

Gobert too
48% rookie year.
Had a year in the mid 50's at well iirc

Most years he is mid 60's though. Hopefully Kessler can just improve that much

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[framer]

Over a typical 100 possession game, that's a 15 point loss against an average team. I would absolutely use that strategy each time Kessler had the ball under the basket.

You have 100 fouls to give? And keep in mind you can only use it in the time period where you are on the penalty and before the 2 minute point of every quarter.

This is a Jazz Twitter type of conversation. .

 

[fishonjazz]

Oh yes it will. When the going gets tough, Hack-a-Walker will be employed every time the clock and situation allow it and the other team needs to quickly limit our scoring opportunities while increasing their own.

We will see. So far it's happened a total of one time in about 120 games.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Mailman was a horrible freethrow shooter his rookie year. He worked hard on it that first off season and improved greatly.

Didnt improve enough.

 

[fishonjazz]

You have 100 fouls to give? And keep in mind you can only use it in the time period where you are on the penalty and before the 2 minute point of every quarter.

This is a Jazz Twitter type of conversation. .

Kessler also has to be on the court to use it which is another factor in addition to having to be in the penalty and not less than 2 minutes left in the quarter.
Kessler only plays like 20 minutes per game.
There simply aren't/haven't been many opportunities for a team to use this strategy. When there has been the opportunity to use the strategy it's been used a total of one time over a year and a half.

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[Tremendous Upside]

Gobert too
48% rookie year.
Had a year in the mid 50's at well iirc

Most years he is mid 60's though. Hopefully Kessler can just improve that much

Kessler has never cracked 60 either in college or the pros. That's incredible.

 

[fishonjazz]

Didnt improve enough.

This is a joke post right? Mailman led the nba in free throw attempts many many years and went to the finals twice and shot like 80% from the line.

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[fishonjazz]

Kessler has never cracked 60 either in college or the pros. That's incredible.

Ya he sucks at shooting free throws. I feel like everyone is in agreement.


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[Tremendous Upside]

Kessler also has to be on the court to use it which is another factor in addition to having to be in the penalty and not less than 2 minutes left in the quarter.
Kessler only plays like 20 minutes per game.
There simply aren't/haven't been many opportunities for a team to use this strategy. When there has been the opportunity to use the strategy it's been used a total of one time over a year and a half.

The better we get and the more important games we play, the more it will be used.

 

[MT Steve]

This is a joke post right? Mailman led the nba in free throw attempts many many years and went to the finals twice and shot like 80% from the line.

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I think he was referring to Game 1 of the 97 Finals

 

[fishonjazz]

The better we get and the more important games we play, the more it will be used.

Ya I would think so. But again it can only be used in very specific parts of certain games. Some quarters a team won't hit the penalty. Some quarters they won't until less than 2 minutes left. Some quarters Kessler won't be in the game when the opponent hits the penalty.

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[Fosto]

You have 100 fouls to give? And keep in mind you can only use it in the time period where you are on the penalty and before the 2 minute point of every quarter.

This is a Jazz Twitter type of conversation. .

Right, you'd use it strategically. What matters is that it gives the opponent an advantage, and small advantages add up over time.

Take the difference between an elite rim protector and an average one. If your opponent makes 48% of their shots against you at the rim, that's elite rim protection. If they make 58%, that's average. What does that 10% difference translate to in real games? Let's say an opponent takes 10 shots against said defender in a game. That's only a 2 point difference between an average and an elite rim protector. Is rim protection useless then? No. Every advantage matters.