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Should #47 hang from the rafters at ESA

Gameface said:
How many of his 5x5s were before his max contract? How long did he play and how much of his great performance was before he got a long *** max contract?
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I will answer as you have no clue. His 2 5X5 were before max contract and 5X6 was 2 years after his max contract. He was all NBA defensive team after his max contract. His first triple doubles were after his max contract. He led league in blocks twice after his max contract. His career high games in assists, rebounds and blocks were after his max contract.He became 4th player in NBA history to average +15+8+4+3 after his max contract.
Enough to feel embarrassed?
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I was in the U.S. Navy from 2000-2006. I didn't watch of follow basketball much during that time. I don't remember AK ever being great. From 2006 on he was the 4th or 5th option on the Jazz. He doesn't even qualify to be discussed as a possible retired jersey.

I, as a military vet also, resent people implying that their service gives them extra panache. If you were not able to watch, then maybe your opinion should not be so strong. That a ten year starter with an all-star season dosen't even qualify then i suggest we start ripping down most of the jerseys hanging there now.
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Let me explain. I did not live in Utah during that time and did not have cable. I was unable to follow the Jazz and I lost interest once Stockton and Malone left. Once I returned to Utah I started watching the Jazz again. I wasn't trying to say my opinioon mattered more because of my military service. I'm pretty open (intellectually honest) and try to let people know why and how I came to the conclusion I did. It seems AK was pretty impressive during the period of time I wasn't watching, so my opinion of him is based on what I've seen from 2006 to now. That is, after he signed a huge contract that crippled the team. Now if he continued to improve and produce the team is okay because we'd have a potential MVP on our hands. AK is no MVP, not even MVP of the Jazz.
 
Sometimes we hear what we want to hear if it reinforces our own strongly held opinions bordelais7. But i am impressed with the use of the words hyperbole and inferred. Actually i will rep you just for great usage of the English language.

Myself i am trying to post here for a year with a zero rep. Everyone needs a goal.
 
AKMVP said:
I will answer as you have no clue. His 2 5X5 were before max contract and 5X6 was 2 years after his max contract. He was all NBA defensive team after his max contract. His first triple doubles were after his max contract. He led league in blocks twice after his max contract. His career high games in assists and blocks were after his max contract.He became 4th player in NBA history to average +15+8+4+3 after his max contract.
Enough to feel embarrassed?
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Stupid stats like "the first player to average 15/8/4/3" is like saying the first person to eat a ham sandwich with his shirt on backwards and then make a dunk on the first possesion of the game. You pull a guys numbers and find a way to make them fit a "the only person to..." stat. yawn.

I saw what AK contributed. I like the guy. Very fun to watch. He didn't work hard. The team has one WCF appearance with him as a player and he was the 4th option.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
There is no criteria for this honor. Obvious, since a coach with the most losses and worst record in team history has a faux jersey hanging.

Years of service (all pretty much as starter), his all around game.

Should scoring average be an over-riding issue for this honor. I don't buy that premise.

Agreed that the chances of this happening are very, very small. I just think it's deserved.
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Well Frank Layden certainly had a huge impact on the Jazz still being in SLC. He is in more for his promotion of the team and his community work while also building the foundation of S&M.

Certainly there should be some criteria because I don't think just any one should be in your HOF. Perhaps longevity, winning percentage, are good starts but sometimes a player or coach has a big impact on the franchise but doesn't play that many years (Hornacek).

AK is not one of those players. Personally, I think he belongs in the category of Ostertag. Talented player who had moments of very good play but in the end their personality traits overshadowed their talent. For me AK did more harm than good when he quit on the team in Houston/SA, if he had stepped it up the Jazz could have gone to the finals. I think of AK as nothing more than a role player who could have become much more if he had the drive to do so.
 
NAOS said:
it's already unofficially retired. I don't see any jazzman wearing that number again because of the clear association it has. I don't think it'll become official.
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Does anyone else in the NBA wear #47? It, along with most number past 40, aren't very popular.
 
Good response overall "Cowhide". I don't necessarily agree with all you say but do recognize that your opinion is more mainstream than mine. I believe that it is entirely legend (media inspired) that Frank had any impact on the Jazz still being in SLC. He is a great guy but never should of been in the position of "head Coach" of a professional basketball team. The teams he coached were pretty bad until Malone and Stockton happened along then it was time to hire a serious coach. I believe that Frank recognized this himself. I don't think he ever saw himself as a head coach, but served when asked. Can't ask anymore of anyone.
 
To answer the OP's question, NO. There have been many great Jazz players; AK was good, but not great. Being the best player on a bad team doesn't qualify...
 
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