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Yes. The last two presidential elections for which we have data are 2016 and 2020. To see the swing over two elections, you compare 2012 to your map.2012? 2012!!
Yes. The last two presidential elections for which we have data are 2016 and 2020. To see the swing over two elections, you compare 2012 to your map.2012? 2012!!
Lmao you are a certified clownYes. The last two presidential elections for which we have data are 2016 and 2020. To see the swing over two elections, you compare 2012 to your map.
Yep. Trump is who the Republican party chose. That, more than anything else, is what will be responsible for the election loss.That is not part of the 2024 GOP Platform. Here is the platform:
- SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
- CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
- END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
- MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
- STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
- LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
- PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
- END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
- STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
- REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
- STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
- KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
- FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
- CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
- CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
- KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
- DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
- SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
- UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
2024 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project
www.presidency.ucsb.edu
Every plank has majority popular support. It doesn't matter.
What change? Voting became more convenient. You might as well be saying more voters = GOP losing. Tragic, I guess. The GOP shouldn't win if they can't appeal to more people.That could be said of the system through 2016. That is not true of the system now under the changes enacted during the COVID pandemic. With the current rules in place, no GOP candidate can win a national election.
That is not part of the 2024 GOP Platform. Here is the platform:
- SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
- CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
- END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
- MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
- STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
- LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
- DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
- PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
- END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
- STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
- REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
- STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
- KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
- FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
- CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
- CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
- KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
- DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
- SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
- UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
2024 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project
www.presidency.ucsb.edu
Every plank has majority popular support. It doesn't matter.
And we must remember that trump says lots of stuff but knows very little and most of it. Most Americans realize this.Won't #2 carrying out the largest deportation operation in American history INCREASE the cost of goods and services, which goes against #3 making America affordable again?
Appealing to more people is irrelevant. Only about half of voters actually vote on their own. That means half of all potential votes are just sitting there. The changes for convenience, as you describe them, enable campaign staff to go house to house and offer the service of getting a vote to a counting center for a voter. It is like Uber Votes, with the tab being paid by the campaigns, but the vote couriers only visit addresses listed as being registered with their party. The sheer number of lazy apathetic voters means the vote couriers can overcome organic popularity of an issue or candidate. The population density of those registered democrat means the couriers contracted by the democrats have an advantage over courier contracted by the republicans. The end result is that no GOP candidate can win a national election regardless of how popular their platform or how popular they are personally. A braindead Joe Biden would beat Dwayne The Rock Johnson under the current system even if The Rock were opinion polling with a 10% lead.The GOP shouldn't win if they can't appeal to more people.
Possibly. Some have argued that opening the border in the way Biden did was what facilitated the economy's soft landing. IDK if those list items will result in good things for bad things, but I do know all them have majority public support.Won't #2 carrying out the largest deportation operation in American history INCREASE the cost of goods and services, which goes against #3 making America affordable again?
Appealing to more people is irrelevant. Only about half of voters actually vote on their own. That means half of all potential votes are just sitting there. The changes for convenience, as you describe them, enable campaign staff to go house to house and offer the service of getting a vote to a counting center for a voter. It is like Uber Votes, with the tab being paid by the campaigns, but the vote couriers only visit addresses listed as being registered with their party. The sheer number of lazy apathetic voters means the vote couriers can overcome organic popularity of an issue or candidate. The population density of those registered democrat means the couriers contracted by the democrats have an advantage over courier contracted by the republicans. The end result is that no GOP candidate can win a national election regardless of how popular their platform or how popular they are personally. A braindead Joe Biden would beat Dwayne The Rock Johnson under the current system even if The Rock were opinion polling with a 10% lead.
It's quite telling that Biden, who is the current president, doesn't want immunity from being tried for any crimes he commits while in office.![]()
FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law | The White House
From his first day in office—and every day since then—President Biden has taken action to strengthen American democracy and protect the rule of law. Inwww.whitehouse.gov
- No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office: President Biden shares the Founders’ belief that the President’s power is limited—not absolute—and must ultimately reside with the people. He is calling for a constitutional amendment that makes clear no President is above the law or immune from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. This No One Is Above the Law Amendment will state that the Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as President.
- Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices: Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court.
- Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court:President Biden believes that Congress should pass binding, enforceable conduct and ethics rules that require Justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity, and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Supreme Court Justices should not be exempt from the enforceable code of conduct that applies to every other federal judge.
The most obvious example was Wisconsin. The vertical line at 5PM was the ballot harvesting operation dropping off their day's work. Many at the time said it was evidence of fraud, but they were wrong. This is 100% legal and every one of those was a real vote. This system is still in place today. Undoubtedly they're going to be smarter and not drop it off in one go like they did in 2020 but the effect to the election's outcome will be the same.Fwiw I have never seen or heard of a single first hand account of a campaign staff person going to anyone's residence to harvest a ballot
Yep. I have never seen or heard from a human of this actually happening.The most obvious example was Wisconsin. The vertical line at 5PM was the ballot harvesting operation dropping off their day's work. Many at the time said it was evidence of fraud, but they were wrong. This is 100% legal and every one of those was a real vote. This system is still in place today. Undoubtedly they're going to be smarter and not drop it off in one go like they did in 2020 but the effect to the election's outcome will be the same.
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I don't know what to tell you because even before the harvesting rules were put into place, they used to do this except that it was a lot harder. They'd rent vans that would transport voters to the polls. All of this is what is referred to as "ground game". If you use that term in your search, you will find a wealth of responses from outlets across the spectrum. As for your personal experience and of those around you, of course you won't see it. You live in Utah. This sort of thing costs a lot of money. No one is going to spend on such an operation in Utah. CNN might as well call Utah for Trump right now. I also won't see it in California. Things would be very different if you lived in Detroit, MI or Madison, WI.Yep. I have never seen or heard from a human of this actually happening.
I look forward to Joe Biden getting on a stage to make an impassioned speech in support of his proposed constitutional amendment.![]()
FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law | The White House
From his first day in office—and every day since then—President Biden has taken action to strengthen American democracy and protect the rule of law. Inwww.whitehouse.gov
- No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office: President Biden shares the Founders’ belief that the President’s power is limited—not absolute—and must ultimately reside with the people. He is calling for a constitutional amendment that makes clear no President is above the law or immune from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. This No One Is Above the Law Amendment will state that the Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as President.
- Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices: Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court.
- Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court:President Biden believes that Congress should pass binding, enforceable conduct and ethics rules that require Justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity, and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Supreme Court Justices should not be exempt from the enforceable code of conduct that applies to every other federal judge.
Oh no. Voters got to the polls to vote? How horribleI don't know what to tell you because even before the harvesting rules were put into place, they used to do this except that it was a lot harder. They'd rent vans that would transport voters to the polls. All of this is what is referred to as "ground game". If you use that term in your search, you will find a wealth of responses from outlets across the spectrum. As for your personal experience and of those around you, of course you won't see it. You live in Utah. This sort of thing costs a lot of money. No one is going to spend on such an operation in Utah. CNN might as well call Utah for Trump right now. I also won't see it in California. Things would be very different if you lived in Detroit, MI or Madison, WI.
I'm all for campaigns getting people to the polls. I'm all for campaigns getting more people registered to vote. I have no problem at all with the NAACP contracting to pay Lyft millions to provide free and discounted transportation to the polls. All of that is fair game because at the end it is someone going to the polls to make their voice heard in front of officials who can verify all rules are being complied with.Oh no. Voters got to the polls to vote? How horrible
Where I personally draw the line is in the creation of a system in which it becomes impossible for one side to ever win.