Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I am guilty of wanting to draft an offensive engine.

It's worth hunting for

 

[Elizah Huge]

It's worth hunting for

Especially with Ace and Tre within our reach. If we were drafting 9th or 10th again I would buy the go for a safer pick a little more but we’re picking top-5 for only the 6th time ever. Let’s go for it. We don’t have a ton of opportunities like this ever. Screw going high floor and safe.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

This conversation is why I'm so high on Kas. He has the chance to be an offensive engine with a high floor of being at least a good connective off ball guard. At least that's how I see him as a prospect.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This conversation is why I'm so high on Kas. He has the chance to be an offensive engine with a high floor of being at least a good connective off ball guard. At least that's how I see him as a prospect.

If he's an engine, it's one you find in a Ford Focus

 

[Basketball Novice]

If he's an engine, it's one you find in a Ford Focus

Whatever gets the car rolling

 

[SoberasHotRod]

If he's an engine, it's one you find in a Ford Focus

He had the one of the highest efficiencies of anyone within the highest amount of self creation to go with a higher assist number than anyone we are talking about.

How aren't those good indicators of an offensive engine.

 

[KqWIN]

49 NCAA prospects drafted from 2012-2021 in the 3-8 Range:

I classified them into 3 categories:

Hit - Borderline All Star or better, Jamal Murray is the worst "hit"

Starter - Established themselves as a starter level player. Deandre Hunger is the worst "starter"

Bust - Everything worse


15 Hits
15 Starters
19 Busts

Highest Hit:Bust ratio is PG
Highest Bust:Hit ratio is C/Big

I made an arbitrary line of greater than 25% usage or not. Greater than >25% usage is slightly better than players <25%, but it is essentially the same.

Closest players based on stats/physical/playstyle etc.

Ace - Tatum, Josh Jackson, Harrison Barnes
VJ - Suggs, Smart, Beal, McLemore, Waiters, Okoro
Fears - Garland, Sexton, Fox, Lillard, Coby White
Tre - Hield, Murray, KCP, Beal, McLemore
Kon - Stauskas?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He had the one of the highest efficiencies of anyone within the highest amount of self creation to go with a higher assist number than anyone we are talking about.

How aren't those good indicators of an offensive engine.

I just don't see it.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I just don't see it.

I actually think that's a fair statement. There are times when I watch him and I do and times that I don't.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

comprehension skills, inattentiveness, slow processing speed...

Must’ve been more sleepy than usual that day.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I actually think that's a fair statement. There are times when I watch him and I do and times that I don't.

Kas had a 10 game stretch from games 6-15 where he averaged 20/5/5/1 while shooting 45.9% from three on 6.1 attempts per game.

During this span he looked like a sure fire top-5 pick.

 

[KqWIN]

Kas before and after injury. Actual injury issues, or just shooting regression to the mean? Some of both methinks.

 

[fishonjazz]

Okay... one more. Through a series of trades you can swap 5 and 21 for 7 and 10. What do you prefer?

I think I probably do that one

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Watch Fears take over this SEC tournament game. There's some impressive shot making, heady defensive plays and poise.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5LF2AFqBv4

 

[KqWIN]

Reuniting Tre+Philon would be pretty cool.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Reuniting Tre+Philon would be pretty cool.

Dray? Is that you?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Comparing the top NBA draft prospects best consecutive 10-game stretch in college basketball this season:

Cooper Flagg - 23.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 4.9 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 57/47/85 splits

Dylan Harper - 23.8 PPG, 5 RPG, 4.4 APG, 51/37/81 splits

Ace Bailey - 23.3 PPG, 8.5 RPG 1.9 BPG, 1.1 SPG, 49/45/72 splits

Tre Johnson - 24.6 PPG, 3.7 APG, 3.6 RPG, 1 SPG, 44/41/92 splits

VJ Edgecombe - 18.4 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 48/41/85 splits

Kon Knueppel - 17.2 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.4 SPG, 54/46/92 splits

Jeremiah Fears - 21.6 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.4 SPG, 42/33/87 splits

Collin Murray-Boyles - 21 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.9 APG, 1.6 BPG, 1.3 SPG, 59% FG, 75% FT

Kasparas Jakucionis - 20 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 4.8 APG, 1 SPG, 51/46/89 splits

Khaman Maluach - 10.1 PPG, 8.6 RPG, 1.9 BPG, 73% FG, 93% FT

Derik Queen - 19.4 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1 SPG, 53% FG, 83% FT

 

[FalseFlagg K]

i've watched a bit more of Kon K I have to say i don't get it in terms of a high draft pick. for around the 8th - 10th pick as a pick for hopefully a complimentary player sure. I just don't see how he's going to be able to translate at anywhere near the same level in the NBA due to his size and being slow and so floor bound I'll barf if we take him at 5

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I think about tiers differently every year, so either I'm evolving, or there's no right way to think about it, lol.

The reason I have Ace/VJ/Tre in a higher tier is:
- Ace is capable of making shots that you only see from star players and the things he needs to work on should/could improve with coaching/maturity.
- Tre had the 2nd/3rd best production in the class for a Freshman. He would be in Harper's tier if he was a little more well rounded.
- VJ had similar production to the lower tier, but his athleticism/defensive play making puts him the higher tier.
All 3 have the size and athleticism to feel confident that they will fit in the NBA

I think it's clear those are the 3-5 guys, and then I think it's perfectly fine if you have personal preferences for anyone else. Like I said, I have Kas in that tier, not because his production/etc. would justify it, but because I like him and his player archetype better than Ace/Tre for example. If you like the stuff that Kon brings more than the others then I don't see a problem with having him in the same tier. This is all subjective.

Good thoughts here regarding Tiers.

I think my simple definition of Tiers is what the likely trajectory of a player appears to be going in to the draft based on character traits, athleticism, performance, stats,

Tier 1 = Alpha, franchise player regular all star
Tier 2 = Potential all star
Tier 3 = High level starter
Tier 4 = Role Player
Tier 5+ = Fodder

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Comparing the top NBA draft prospects best consecutive 10-game stretch in college basketball this season:

Cooper Flagg - 23.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 4.9 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 57/47/85 splits

Dylan Harper - 23.8 PPG, 5 RPG, 4.4 APG, 51/37/81 splits

Ace Bailey - 23.3 PPG, 8.5 RPG 1.9 BPG, 1.1 SPG, 49/45/72 splits

Tre Johnson - 24.6 PPG, 3.7 APG, 3.6 RPG, 1 SPG, 44/41/92 splits

VJ Edgecombe - 18.4 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 48/41/85 splits

Kon Knueppel - 17.2 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.4 SPG, 54/46/92 splits

Jeremiah Fears - 21.6 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.4 SPG, 42/33/87 splits

Collin Murray-Boyles - 21 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 2.9 APG, 1.6 BPG, 1.3 SPG, 59% FG, 75% FT

Kasparas Jakucionis - 20 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 4.8 APG, 1 SPG, 51/46/89 splits

Khaman Maluach - 10.1 PPG, 8.6 RPG, 1.9 BPG, 73% FG, 93% FT

Derik Queen - 19.4 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1 SPG, 53% FG, 83% FT

Now do the worst 10 game stretch.