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2025 Off-Season Trade Ideas Thread

It's an ehh deal that would be pretty bad if Franz had gotten his supermax, but Franz getting injured last year was a huge break for the Magic and saved them $8m per year on Franz's deal, so their not ideal contract for Suggs is made up for by Franz's great contract.

Suggs' contract is fine if he shoots 37% ish from three and is around 100 TS+ and stays healthy, but he has struggled to do those things so far in his career. We'll see.

I don't think he has net surplus on his deal and is a neutral value player whereas Garland is positive value.
If Mobley and Don are their franchise players they need guys around them that fit. Garland is a nice RS player but has been injured and/or awful in the playoffs. This year he had as many turnovers as assists in that Indiana series and shot 17% on 3's. He was also hunted by the Pacer guards. They won a ton of RS games but they aren't winning many playoff series with a midget backcourt. They can resign Jerome and just drafted Tyson last year to take some of the ball handling load. Cavs desperately need a Suggs/Herb Jones defensive archetype to get stops in the playoffs. Maybe Suggs isn't the answer but should probably do something about the fit on that team especially now that they are in the 2nd apron and will have limited ways to improve moving forward.
 
Damion Lillard's contract is a franchise killer. He's old, he's now coming off a major injury and his contract is like 56 million a year. Please god no.
Actually, if the Jazz do decide to tank one more year he’s a perfect fit. He can sit all next season recovering (for essentially the cost of expiring contracts) and then he either returns to form and they trade him, or he doesn’t and they let him walk as an expiring contract. I’m totally fine with the Jazz making a move for Dame - as long as they get some sort of decent asset back for doing so?
 

Is this guy a serious reporter or some sort of a conjurer? This is a horrible reporting if it is a report and it is even worse speculation if it's conjecture of some sort. "Among teams"... "that could"... "check in" on "Markkanen's availability"... Not sure if the Jazz will entertain it.

In other words this whole tweet can be summarized as "any NBA team might or might not have interest in Markkanen and the Jazz might or might not have interest in trading him". Well thanks for the info. That's real valuable insight, Mr. Weinbach.
 
Actually, if the Jazz do decide to tank one more year he’s a perfect fit. He can sit all next season recovering (for essentially the cost of expiring contracts) and then he either returns to form and they trade him, or he doesn’t and they let him walk as an expiring contract. I’m totally fine with the Jazz making a move for Dame - as long as they get some sort of decent asset back for doing so?
His contract hand cuffs you if you are serious about making other moves to actually win games. If you are sure you want to be crappy for two years and run the risk of not being able to unload him then go for it.
 
Damion Lillard's contract is a franchise killer. He's old, he's now coming off a major injury and his contract is like 56 million a year. Please god no.
It’s not at all lol. Runs for two years when and only dents the cap space in one. You can also move it in a deal as an expiring if you are completing a mega trade. The asset killer is letting Collins and Sexton lead us to 32 wins and losing a top 8 pick next year… that cap space won’t be all that helpful if we don’t have any long term building blocks.
 
His contract hand cuffs you if you are serious about making other moves to actually win games.
This is a feature, not a bug. He May or may not be able to reach anything resembling his prior level of play but landing an asset and assisting our pick next year is already enough value to justify a deal.
 
It’s not at all lol. Runs for two years when and only dents the cap space in one. You can also move it in a deal as an expiring if you are completing a mega trade. The asset killer is letting Collins and Sexton lead us to 32 wins and losing a top 8 pick next year… that cap space won’t be all that helpful if we don’t have any long term building blocks.

This is a feature, not a bug. He May or may not be able to reach anything resembling his prior level of play but landing an asset and assisting our pick next year is already enough value to justify a deal.

Its a bit absurd to factor being terrible in as the positive value for trading for Lillard. I don't like how we treat sucking as some long term plan for success.

If we don't get the fabled 1A surefire superstar in next years draft, what's the plan? Suck again? How long? How many years do you plan to waste looking for the pipedream surefire star guy?

Lets start the work of building the team, start finding undervalued guys in free agency and in the trade market, continue to develop our guys. We can do this organically without sinking multiple seasons on purpose.

Sucking and hoping for lottery luck is not a good plan. Might as well get on with it and actually start building the team. Losing out on a first rounder is not the end of the world. We already have tons of young guys on the roster and more coming in the future. Being terrible for another year would be awful for the development of our younger players.
 
Its a bit absurd to factor being terrible in as the positive value for trading for Lillard. I don't like how we treat sucking as some long term plan for success.

If we don't get the fabled 1A surefire superstar in next years draft, what's the plan? Suck again? How long? How many years do you plan to waste looking for the pipedream surefire star guy?
At least until we no longer owe OKC a lightly protected pick. That’s one more season. The rest of your question (“what’s the plan?”) is everpresent for every organization.
 
Losing out on a first rounder is not the end of the world. We already have tons of young guys on the roster and more coming in the future. Being terrible for another year would be awful for the development of our younger players.
Losing out on a top-8 pick in a good draft when you don’t have anything resembling “The Guy” could well be catastrophic. Our young guys don’t look like candidates because there are maybe 30 at most of them in the league. Being terrible for another year may or may not be terrible for these players development but again… we don’t have the most amazing group to begin with.

Look, the reality is we’re in a bad spot and there are no easy answers. If you’re happy with a 41-win team with no extra assets (which is what will happen after we trade a bunch of picks for… Sabonis? Trae Young if we’re lucky?), then that’s your preference. I don’t give a single **** about that. I just don’t, and I know a lot of people that feel the same (or at least did, until the reality of what rebuilding is for most teams came into being).
 
Its a bit absurd to factor being terrible in as the positive value for trading for Lillard. I don't like how we treat sucking as some long term plan for success.

If we don't get the fabled 1A surefire superstar in next years draft, what's the plan? Suck again? How long? How many years do you plan to waste looking for the pipedream surefire star guy?

Lets start the work of building the team, start finding undervalued guys in free agency and in the trade market, continue to develop our guys. We can do this organically without sinking multiple seasons on purpose.

Sucking and hoping for lottery luck is not a good plan. Might as well get on with it and actually start building the team. Losing out on a first rounder is not the end of the world. We already have tons of young guys on the roster and more coming in the future. Being terrible for another year would be awful for the development of our younger players.
Luck is and always has been “the plan”. Sometimes luck is when the Kings are trading Haliburton or when you hit on the lotto balls or when you nail a first round pick. We kept optionality for the last two years in part because we might get lucky and can build from where we are… we didn’t get lucky. So the plan is to give ourselves the best chance at being lucky in multiple ways… when we do get that luck it will be fairly obvious and we can hit the gas at that point.
 
I don’t even understand what “building the team” means here. Does building the team mean Sexton and Collins? Other options seem legitimately horrible.

Losing a pick isn’t the end of the world….but why are you losing that pick and how are you building forward? If we lose the pick, it should be because our young players have played well enough to win that many games. Not because we wanted to accelerate to 9th place worst finish.
 
Losing out on a top-8 pick in a good draft when you don’t have anything resembling “The Guy” could well be catastrophic. Our young guys don’t look like candidates because there are maybe 30 at most of them in the league. Being terrible for another year may or may not be terrible for these players development but again… we don’t have the most amazing group to begin with.

Look, the reality is we’re in a bad spot and there are no easy answers. If you’re happy with a 41-win team with no extra assets (which is what will happen after we trade a bunch of picks for… Sabonis? Trae Young if we’re lucky?), then that’s your preference. I don’t give a single **** about that. I just don’t, and I know a lot of people that feel the same (or at least did, until the reality of what rebuilding is for most teams came into being).

Maybe I should have just stuck with the critique of Lillard and his contract vs. going into it about tanking but I think this is an important topic to consider.

In terms of tanking:

I'm afraid that we will get stuck in the pattern of looking for the magic solution or the magical player that will solve all our problems. Tanking might be a good plan for long term success via. high draft picks or it can become an excuse to never try to build anything. Because if we are tanking, then of course we are going to be bad. Nobody needs to be held accountable for anything, not the players, not the coaches, not the front office. Everyone is happy because losing horribly was the plan all along. There are pitfalls to this kind of approach that can't be measured by the numbers or draft picks.

I will acknowledge that this is the first year of proper "tanking". Perhaps another year or 2 would benefit the rebuilding process.

As long as we are doing proper evaluations on our talent and are preparing properly/keeping the right mindset, its fine.

I don’t even understand what “building the team” means here. Does building the team mean Sexton and Collins? Other options seem legitimately horrible.

Losing a pick isn’t the end of the world….but why are you losing that pick and how are you building forward? If we lose the pick, it should be because our young players have played well enough to win that many games. Not because we wanted to accelerate to 9th place worst finish.

Another approach to "building the team" (aside from tanking) would be to add veterans who can play their positions competently, test various lineups to see which ones prove most positive, then build upon those lineups and players. Move on from players who are clearly negative/don't provide positive value/don't fit and gradually bring young players along until they prove or disprove themselves. Rinse, Repeat, get a little bit better every year. Aka the normal, boring way to build a team. Also the way most teams do it, that can be a good or bad thing.

With the Jazz, this approach would consist of building around Lauri + Sexton + Kessler, keeping Dunn, getting a 3&D wing guy from somewhere, etc. but the team clearly wasn't interested in doing that. They would rather feed minutes to rookies/2nd year players to speed development to the detriment of the current team which coincides with tanking/draft picks. A synergistic strategy, but one that produces some horrible basketball.

All I'm saying is that we can't stand still forever if luck doesn't fall our way, its fine to do it for 1 maybe 2 more years.


Honestly, I just saw the discussion about taking the Lillard contract and a minor asset just because it helps us lose and I had to respond.

Dumping vets who play well for future assets, fine.
Playing young players a ridiculous amount of minutes even when they are an active detriment on the court for development, fine.
Trading for a 50+ million per year boat anchor to get some minor assets because they will help us lose, I think I have to draw the line there.
 
Apologies if a similar trade has been discussed here (I went back several pages to check). How would you all feel about this trade? We get a solid young player on a smaller contract, grab Dylan Harper, we move from 21 to 15 (pick up someone with high upside like Essengue).

Obviously Spurs have to be high enough on Lauri to make it work. Maybe that ship sailed after last year.. I still think he fits them well.

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If our roster ends up being Lillard + Lauri + rookie contract guys we are gonna be extremely handicapped in the trade market and adding Kesslers next deal to that also takes us out of 2026 FA. Free Agency may almost be a foregone conclusion but not being able to match salaries in trades is a pretty huge.
 
If our roster ends up being Lillard + Lauri + rookie contract guys we are gonna be extremely handicapped in the trade market and adding Kesslers next deal to that also takes us out of 2026 FA. Free Agency may almost be a foregone conclusion but not being able to match salaries in trades is a pretty huge.
So keep KJ Martin at 8M a year and sign someone to the full MLE.
 
Maybe I should have just stuck with the critique of Lillard and his contract vs. going into it about tanking but I think this is an important topic to consider.

In terms of tanking:

I'm afraid that we will get stuck in the pattern of looking for the magic solution or the magical player that will solve all our problems. Tanking might be a good plan for long term success via. high draft picks or it can become an excuse to never try to build anything. Because if we are tanking, then of course we are going to be bad. Nobody needs to be held accountable for anything, not the players, not the coaches, not the front office. Everyone is happy because losing horribly was the plan all along. There are pitfalls to this kind of approach that can't be measured by the numbers or draft picks.

I will acknowledge that this is the first year of proper "tanking". Perhaps another year or 2 would benefit the rebuilding process.

As long as we are doing proper evaluations on our talent and are preparing properly/keeping the right mindset, its fine.



Another approach to "building the team" (aside from tanking) would be to add veterans who can play their positions competently, test various lineups to see which ones prove most positive, then build upon those lineups and players. Move on from players who are clearly negative/don't provide positive value/don't fit and gradually bring young players along until they prove or disprove themselves. Rinse, Repeat, get a little bit better every year. Aka the normal, boring way to build a team. Also the way most teams do it, that can be a good or bad thing.

With the Jazz, this approach would consist of building around Lauri + Sexton + Kessler, keeping Dunn, getting a 3&D wing guy from somewhere, etc. but the team clearly wasn't interested in doing that. They would rather feed minutes to rookies/2nd year players to speed development to the detriment of the current team which coincides with tanking/draft picks. A synergistic strategy, but one that produces some horrible basketball.

All I'm saying is that we can't stand still forever if luck doesn't fall our way, its fine to do it for 1 maybe 2 more years.


Honestly, I just saw the discussion about taking the Lillard contract and a minor asset just because it helps us lose and I had to respond.

Dumping vets who play well for future assets, fine.
Playing young players a ridiculous amount of minutes even when they are an active detriment on the court for development, fine.
Trading for a 50+ million per year boat anchor to get some minor assets because they will help us lose, I think I have to draw the line there.

I actually agree with your point about the psychological trap of tanking. There’s definitely something to the idea that tanking is the most risk averse strategy from a hardcore fan perspective. Before the Jazz had made the decision to tank, I warned that what fans were actually seeking is comfort from the pressure that comes with winning. And I can’t stand when people treat tanking like some kind of fan badge of honor - as if enduring terrible basketball makes you more loyal or sophisticated.

But here’s where I push back: you’re talking about fearing a “cycle of forever” when the Jazz have literally done this for one year. If anything, this franchise spent way more years trapped in the cycle you should actually worry about - being mediocre.The mediocrity treadmill is what produces even less than tanking. At least with tanking, you’re accumulating assets and draft capital. With mediocrity, you’re just… stuck and it makes acquiring key players more difficult. That’s the cycle that’s actually worth fearing.

When you’re already calling tanking a “bad cycle” after one season, it honestly reeks of impatience. If we’re going to talk about dangerous patterns, let’s talk about the one where we panic and return to the middle of the pack just because we can’t handle being bad for more than 12 months. If you don’t like how long it’s been, your complaint should be with the mediocrity we found ourselves in for two years after trading Don/Rudy.

The goal isn’t even necessarily to tank. It’s to add the players we can actually build our franchise around. The tough reality is that we have almost nothing right now. Tanking is just a byproduct of our current talent situation, not the actual objective. I’d imagine that you’re not actually aiming to be mediocre and would instead just be accepting if that’s where we found ourselves with good team building. Reality check, we’re not close to being mediocre unless we rely on vets that don’t have a future here.

I don’t see guys like Dunn, Sexton, and Collins as franchise cornerstones. If they aren’t the players you want to build around, it doesn’t make any sense to keep them just to avoid being bad. Each player needs to be evaluated on their own merit - and that’s true for Lauri as well. You can’t build something sustainable by clinging to players who aren’t championship-level building blocks just because it makes you feel better about wins and losses right now.

And in terms of Dame’s contract, it’s about opportunity cost. If you decide that next year’s cap space is valuable. Sure, it’s a valid concern but I’d also ask you what you were actually hoping to do with that cap space instead. But for me that is very little. And for the first year it’s pretty much irrelevant anyways. The extra games we’d win for paying Sexton and Collins is worth nothing in the long run, and in reality it’s negative. Yeah losing a pick isn’t the end of the world, but having that pick is also a much better world and would allow us to get to mediocrity and beyond more quickly.
 
DET could be an interesting destination. Not super interested in adding future bad picks, but they have some young guys worth a look and some vets we could potentially swing elsewhere.
 
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