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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:

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Just watched this locked on jazz episode with Lief filling in for Locke. Watching the first ten minutes makes me wondering if Tre is being overlooked says Tre has better athletic traits than Ace. Might be able to play pg. on and off ball. Been a five star prospect his whole life but gets less attention than Ace and VJ. Life says he’d take Tre over Ace at either 3 or 5.
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Well, Tre tested to have near VJ levels of athleticism in many of the tests. Frankly, it surprised me as I would judge him to be an average athlete according to the tape. I don't quite know what to make of it. He might have room to improve using his athletic trats that have been underutilized or he might just be a workout warrior type.
 
Basketball Novice said:
Well, Tre tested to have near VJ levels of athleticism in many of the tests. Frankly, it surprised me as I would judge him to be an average athlete according to the tape. I don't quite know what to make of it. He might have room to improve using his athletic trats that have been underutilized or he might just be a workout warrior type.
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Gobert tested as one of the ten worst athletes in NBA combine history while Harrison Barnes tested as one of the five best athletes in NBA combine history.

Tre not getting steals, rebounds, blocks, free throws, or paint touches is probably a better descriptor of his physical tools. He's like Herro in having very limited tools practically.
 
Basketball Novice said:
Well, Tre tested to have near VJ levels of athleticism in many of the tests. Frankly, it surprised me as I would judge him to be an average athlete according to the tape. I don't quite know what to make of it. He might have room to improve using his athletic trats that have been underutilized or he might just be a workout warrior type.
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Take a couple inches off the vert... he sandbagged his standing reach. He looks and moves like a good athlete though, but it doesn't manifest on the court really in anything you typically see like stocks, rebounds, rim attempts, defense etc.

Maybe he unlocks something and that stuff comes but there is a reason the analytical world clings to certain things like stocks/activity stats quite a bit.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Take a couple inches off the vert... he sandbagged his standing reach. He looks and moves like a good athlete though, but it doesn't manifest on the court really in anything you typically see like stocks, rebounds, rim attempts, defense etc.

Maybe he unlocks something and that stuff comes but there is a reason the analytical world clings to certain things like stocks/activity stats quite a bit.
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I dont think he sandbagged his reach at all. If you watch the video of him, Ace, and Harper dunking, it's clear he has a massive vertical. He just isnt quick off the floor. I dont foresee him being some incredible downhill rim attacking athlete, but maybe he can be utilized off-ball at the rim for the occasional lob.
 
Free throw rates(in college) by some of the players being mentioned here:
- Tre Johnson .265
- Tyler Herro .235
- Jamal Murray .285
- Cam Thomas .440
- SGA .464

SGA was not the monster he is now in college, but as you can see even in his college stats you can see a certain level of aggression and foul drawing ability.
 
Is this stat for Essengue correct? I was checking other top prospects' FTRate and the thing I'm looking at says... .800!!! Is this true? How?
 
stitches said:
Is this stat for Essengue correct? I was checking other top prospects' FTRate and the thing I'm looking at says... .800!!! Is this true? How?
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Yeah, some of his stats are stupid good, lol.

He and Newell are the guys who put up pretty huge numbers, but you just hate the way they put up numbers (as undersized centers basically)
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I dont think he sandbagged his reach at all. If you watch the video of him, Ace, and Harper dunking, it's clear he has a massive vertical. He just isnt quick off the floor. I dont foresee him being some incredible downhill rim attacking athlete, but maybe he can be utilized off-ball at the rim for the occasional lob.
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lol... Tre standing reach is 8'5" height 6'4.75" and wingspan 6' 10.25.

Kon standing reach 8'5.5" height 6'5" and wingspan 6'6.25"

Its just math. Myles Byrd with almost identical measurements (slightly smaller wingspan) came in 1.5" higher in standing reach.

He still has a good vert... but for comparison to others historically... go ahead and take an inch or two off it.
 
KqWIN said:
Again, compared to what. You can very easily counter this argument. Just say what decent means here.
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Tre's FTRate is the second lowest from players projected to go in the lottery. The only one with lower number here is Ace Bailey :oops:
 
stitches said:
Free throw rates(in college) by some of the players being mentioned here:
- Tre Johnson .265
- Tyler Herro .235
- Jamal Murray .285
- Cam Thomas .440
- SGA .464

SGA was not the monster he is now in college, but as you can see even in his college stats you can see a certain level of aggression and foul drawing ability.
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Murray, Herro, and McCollum are the three guys I would look to who have very difficult shot diet but are still relatively efficient because they are they elite of the elite on making those shots. Free throw rates and Rim rates almost always go down in the pros, and when they do go up it's usually a result of shift in role.

I think Tre has some efficiency gains to be made by just shooting more 3's. He didn't actually attempt as much as you'd think at Texas. Trading some of his long 2's for 3's will help him a lot.
 
BTW, I just watched a bit of Kasparas Jakucionis... I don't know what to do with him... I'm so torn... He has a lot of good statistical indicators. And he obviously is skilled and knows how to play... I just cannot shake that feeling that a lot of what was working for him in college will simply not work in the NBA. There were so many plays where I thought... "Oh nice... nice bit of craft here... no way this works against NBA length/athleticism, though, right?..."
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
lol... Tre standing reach is 8'5" height 6'4.75" and wingspan 6' 10.25.

Kon standing reach 8'5.5" height 6'5" and wingspan 6'6.25"

Its just math. Myles Byrd with almost identical measurements (slightly smaller wingspan) came in 1.5" higher in standing reach.

He still has a good vert... but for comparison to others historically... go ahead and take an inch or two off it.
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Was just looking at the vert measurements and loling cuz I was like "damn does McNeeley have bunnies" he has a 36.5 inch vert. Then I looked at the anthro... dude wins the Pat Connaughton award this year. Shade under 6-7 barefoot 6-8.5 wingspan... and an 8-3.5 standing reach lol.

Lebaron Philon is 4 inches shorter, 2 inch shorter standing reach... and miraculously has the same standing reach.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
lol... Tre standing reach is 8'5" height 6'4.75" and wingspan 6' 10.25.

Kon standing reach 8'5.5" height 6'5" and wingspan 6'6.25"

Its just math. Myles Byrd with almost identical measurements (slightly smaller wingspan) came in 1.5" higher in standing reach.

He still has a good vert... but for comparison to others historically... go ahead and take an inch or two off it.
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Players will have different reaches based on tons of factors. Tre is right there with everyone who is around his height/wingspan +/- 1-3 inches.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Was just looking at the vert measurements and loling cuz I was like "damn does McNeeley have bunnies" he has a 36.5 inch vert. Then I looked at the anthro... dude wins the Pat Connaughton award this year. Shade under 6-7 barefoot 6-8.5 wingspan... and an 8-3.5 standing reach lol.

Lebaron Philon is 4 inches shorter, 2 inch shorter standing reach... and miraculously has the same standing reach.
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Essengue has a modest wingspan and ridiculous standing reach. It's a result of freakishly long arms but extremely narrow shoulders. I suppose the opposite could be true with very broad shoulders and shorter arms leading to +wingspan and -reach. But 9/10 it's just to sandbag the vertical measurement, because it works! People love to talk about the vertical leap.

Anyways, even if we perfectly measured vertical jump at the combine, do we care about how they play the game of basketball?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Was just looking at the vert measurements and loling cuz I was like "damn does McNeeley have bunnies" he has a 36.5 inch vert. Then I looked at the anthro... dude wins the Pat Connaughton award this year. Shade under 6-7 barefoot 6-8.5 wingspan... and an 8-3.5 standing reach lol.

Lebaron Philon is 4 inches shorter, 2 inch shorter standing reach... and miraculously has the same standing reach.
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McNeeley was the obvious measurements manipulator at the combine! The moment I saw that 36.5 and I had seen him practically never leaving the ground in-game, I knew to go straight to his standing reach. This is grotesque manipulation if I've ever seen one....
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Players will have different reaches based on tons of factors. Tre is right there with everyone who is around his height/wingspan +/- 1-3 inches.
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It won't be plus 1-3 inches lol. Did you actually go look... its just not true. Its minues 1-2 inches... which is exactly what I said. Its okay... its still a great vert but he is not in VJ's class there.
 
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