Yup, unions are awesome!

[Stoked]

After the 30% cuts in 2005, loss of pension in all reality, no pension for new employees, double cost on health insurance with less benefit... it all adds up.

There's more to it than just one number.

I have no problems with alot of the first cuts. However I wonder what cuts the CEOs and management made? Did they give up all bonuses,take a 30% cut in pay and other similar efforts to truly get the ball rolling?

Everyone needs to ante up so to speak.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I have no problems with alot of the first cuts. However I wonder what cuts the CEOs and management made? Did they give up all bonuses,take a 30% cut in pay and other similar efforts to truly get the ball rolling?

Everyone needs to ante up so to speak.

I'm with you. I'm guessing they did not. More cuts turns it into a pattern. At first glance I was thinking the employees should just suck it up.... with more information coming out I'm not so sure.

 

[Stoked]

I'm with you. I'm guessing they did not. More cuts turns it into a pattern. At first glance I was thinking the employees should just suck it up.... with more information coming out I'm not so sure.

Knew I was right to withold opinion till I had more info.

 

[RJF]

92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.

 

[Stoked]

92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.

I am not rubber stamp union lover. However one could say that bad management had a healthy amount to do with the loss of those 18,500 jobs.

 

[Gameface]

92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.

I'd say that 5000 workers were unwilling to take it up the *** for 18,500 other workers due to the mismanagement of the company. Just because there was no limit to the sacrifice the bakers union workers were unwilling to endure doesn't mean everything is their fault.

 

[Beantown]

I hate onions.

 

[One Brow]

92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.

It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.

 

[Stoked]

It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.

Lol, love it.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.

You are stuck on the 92% number. It's 64% only considering the pay cut. It's much much less considering the raised cost of health care, loss of retirement, and lesser benefits of health care.

I see what you are stuck on, but just don't think you are seeing the whole picture here.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.

If by free market you mean there should be more money sent to pay for the extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government... then yea... you believe totally in the "free market".

 

[One Brow]

If by free market you mean there should be more money sent to pay for the extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government... then yea... you believe totally in the "free market".

I'm confused. Dolly Madison employees receive ' extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government'?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I'm confused. Dolly Madison employees receive ' extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government'?

How'd the surgery go?

Did you get to keep your humor in a jar to look at, or did they just chuck it?

 

[Stoked]

I'm confused. Dolly Madison employees receive ' extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government'?

They do now lol.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Hostess was more than snack foods. They offered a variety of healthy, whole grain breads. As far as the baker's union... I hope every one of those ******** that voted for the strike lose their homes(and everything else, for that matter) for putting the rest of us out of a job. Their last offer to Hostess was to fire the Teamsters(transport drivers, RSR's, and go to IO's in order to pay the bakers more money to push a button after loading pre-measured ingredients.

If all they do is push a button after loading pre measured ingredients, why the heck did the company choose liquidation instead of replacing them?

Surely in this economy the company could have found some stiffs capable of pushing a button and loading pre measured ingredients.

Is the management that incompetent, or do they really do more than that? I don't know. Either way, I'm sorry for you and everyone else looking for a new job, but, no offense, there is no way I would have agreed to those cuts if I worked there.

As it said in that link I posted, it would be hard to replace the job they had, easy to replace the job they were offering.

 

[RJF]

If all they do is push a button after loading pre measured ingredients, why the heck did the company choose liquidation instead of replacing them?

Surely in this economy the company could have found some stiffs capable of pushing a button and loading pre measured ingredients.

Is the management that incompetent, or do they really do more than that? I don't know. Either way, I'm sorry for you and everyone else looking for a new job, but, no offense, there is no way I would have agreed to those cuts if I worked there.

As it said in that link I posted, it would be hard to replace the job they had, easy to replace the job they were offering.

Replace a union employee. Do you have any idea how difficult that is? The company moved production to other bakeries to try to make it work but when thousands walk out it doesn't make a difference.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Replace a union employee. Do you have any idea how difficult that is? The company moved production to other bakeries to try to make it work but when thousands walk out it doesn't make a difference.

It's not difficult at all. It's totally legal to hire replacement workers if there is a strike.

If the workers are as unskilled as you say they are, then they should be easy enough to replace. It was the company's management that acted like they were impossible to replace and instead chose liquidation. The law would not have prevented them in any way from using replacement workers.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

It's not difficult at all. It's totally legal to hire replacement workers if there is a strike.

If the workers are as unskilled as you say they are, then they should be easy enough to replace. It was the company's management that acted like they were impossible to replace and instead chose liquidation. The law would not have prevented them in any way from using replacement workers.

Well if it's that easy, and they are too dumb to do that... is that a sign of someone you want to work for?

 

[SaltyDawg]

Well if it's that easy, and they are too dumb to do that... is that a sign of someone you want to work for?

Exactly. I think the management was incompetent, and possibly corrupt. They got millions of dollars in bonuses that would have probably been negotiated out in a new deal. They wanted to go bankrupt.

 

[The Thriller]

Hilarious to watch those who jumped onto this anti-union bandwagon run and scatter now that the other side is being told.

Ooops!

Guess they jumped the gun too quickly after desperately trying to grab onto something after their ship was sunk just a few weeks ago.

When will conservatives come back to join the rest of us in reality? Not all unions are evil and bad and not all CEOs are the noble "job creators" that should be worshiped.

This brand of deregulation, insider trading, crony capitalism, with execs raiding historic companies merely to rob them of wealth and driving them further into financial instability, and then blaming everything on the workers clearly isn't sustainable nor conducive to an economic recovery.