green
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That's what I meant when comparing Jefferson to Kanter. Defensively, Kanter is a big liability. Another reason Corbin should be gone. He needs to hide Kanter on defense...without hiding him on the bench.
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That's what I meant when comparing Jefferson to Kanter. Defensively, Kanter is a big liability. Another reason Corbin should be gone. He needs to hide Kanter on defense...without hiding him on the bench.
CitizenofCapua
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Yes, but that doesnt mean he will always be a liability on the deffensive end. Kanter more quicker and got better motor than Jefferson which is what you need at first place to defend PnR's better. He wont be great on that but at least he can do it at reasonable level and so Corbin or the next coach wont actually need to hide him on defensive end. It's a learning process for him and i think he is a fast learner and he will figure that out eventually.
That would be a stupid move. Parker hasn't exactly been lighting the NCAA on fire lately. Kanter just got 25 pts and 11 rebounds in 26 minutes. He hasn't played as consistently as you want (mostly because he is young and inexperienced) but giving him up for basically the right to move up one spot is ridiculous.
I thought Enes played well on defense when I watched him expect for the pick and roll a come of times but it wasn't always his fault either. He was placed in the position because our guard let his guy penetrate. Enes will struggle because he isn't particular long nor does he jump high but when the Jazz made their run at the end of the game he was rebounding and playing defense.
Enes will never be a great defender but he is not horrible. The Jazz team defense sucks more. Guys don't help each other out a lot. Everyone of the Jazz players could benefit from improving their defense. Personally, I think as the team plays together more they will realize that team defense is the key to winning. They will play better. Burke didn't play well until down the stretch which is probably why people think he played great. At one point he was 3-14, but what makes him great is he didn't let it affect him and he play great down the stretch.
Enes will never be a great defender but he is not horrible. The Jazz team defense sucks more. Guys don't help each other out a lot. Everyone of the Jazz players could benefit from improving their defense. Personally, I think as the team plays together more they will realize that team defense is the key to winning. They will play better. Burke didn't play well until down the stretch which is probably why people think he played great. At one point he was 3-14, but what makes him great is he didn't let it affect him and he play great down the stretch.
Looking at the change in Kanter from Start of season until now tells us to ignore the first part of the season. He has Come back from injury and can be evaluated... he looks like kanter of last year. I think the complaining about Marvin over Kanter THUS FAR is unjustified. Going forward however,we should see more Kanter
My impression is that the Jazz are a young team showing promise and progress. against the spurs:
-Kanter was good against a good team
-Team D is not mature - Yet. It will take 1 year more or so for that to come around,
-Favors was solid. He is being asked to be solid. Especially on D. He is not going for blocks
-Burke has shown enough, that I'm convinced he will be really good. He's clutch now. Give him two more years,.. wow.
-Burks has shown an individual game that is top tier. I'm elated he's a Jazz man
-And while Hayward didn't play in spurs game, I'm very high on him as well.
Even without a draft pick,Jazz,as a Core 5 group are top 4 in West in a yr or 2. we should be rejoicing. Good drafting, good draft assets , Cap space,
Unfortunately, we are no longer (essentially) a lock for getting #l pick (or near) but that is because things are going well.
That's my impression
My impression is that the Jazz are a young team showing promise and progress. against the spurs:
-Kanter was good against a good team
-Team D is not mature - Yet. It will take 1 year more or so for that to come around,
-Favors was solid. He is being asked to be solid. Especially on D. He is not going for blocks
-Burke has shown enough, that I'm convinced he will be really good. He's clutch now. Give him two more years,.. wow.
-Burks has shown an individual game that is top tier. I'm elated he's a Jazz man
-And while Hayward didn't play in spurs game, I'm very high on him as well.
Even without a draft pick,Jazz,as a Core 5 group are top 4 in West in a yr or 2. we should be rejoicing. Good drafting, good draft assets , Cap space,
Unfortunately, we are no longer (essentially) a lock for getting #l pick (or near) but that is because things are going well.
That's my impression
Somehow, a Jazz big always is the biggest liability on Corbin's team. Coincidence?
Primetime
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I just checked out Big Als defensive numbers because I knew that Charlotte has one of the better defenses this year(Steve Clifford right know is a top three defensive coach in the NBA and I'm saying that just after 3 month of action! He is brilliant. If you have one of the better Ds in the NBA with Big Al as your Center and Walker as your PG you have to be really good. He is just amazing. Could praise the guy all day long!). So here are the numbers from Big Al and our two bigs.
Big Al:
Derrick:
Enes:
All of a sudden Big Al is the best defender out of the three guys. Wait...what? Crazy how things are going, isn't it? How can this happen? Well, There are not that many options actually. It could be that Big Al never was a bad defender in the first place and we were stupid to accuse him of being that, the other thing is that Corbin just can't preach defense or he can but he just uses a wrong "defensive system" for the players he has. Make your choice!
I'm shocked because of the post up numbers from the two big fellows! It was clear that Enes had some problems(there should be some improvement down the road just because of the fact that he is getting stronger again) but the numbers from Derrick are a little frightening to be honest with you guys. There have to be some adjustments from the coaching staff. Don't allow that entry pass, be more aggressive on the perimeter and make the opposing guards work for that pass. Let the big men front the post player and make the offense change their game plan or bring a double team every now and than. I'm not a defensive specialist but for god sakes do some. The post up numbers are just horrible!
Look @Big Als PnR number. Oh my goodness! Are you kidding me? Derricks number is not great but it is ok while Enes is just bad. Somebody said it in another thread it didn't look that bad the last year so why are we changing something that indeed worked? Now everybody is saying uhhh Enes is a bad defender he can't do none. He ain't great but he was at least average and there is no reason why he can't be that. And with a better defensive system this could be a good defensive team. The offense is already there just needs a little polishing.
The spot up shooting is also pretty bad and not just the big men Alec/Trey/Gordon are locking bad as well. This is an other major concern. Guys are sleeping on rotations, are a second to slow or rotating to the wrong player. Some times I don't even know if they're watching film.
Last night a good example for a missed rotation. The opposing team is running a PnR, the ball handler is penetrating and of course is beating our perimeter defender. In this case Enes is rotating to help but there is no "helping the helper" and of course his man is getting the ball and scores. All Ty sees is Enes and most of the fans are like "Enes...who else!". And they ran that play quite often and it's not just this game and not just Enes. It is also happening with Derrick and nobody is helping. Our big guys are really reading the plays well in my opinion and there are just two things they can do. Either they stay with their opponent and let the guard score or help and let their man score. Anyway you're the bad guy. The 2nd and 3rd help is not coming if there is a bet anywhere just bet on it.
Last thing about the Bobcats. I said it earlier they have one of the better defenses in the NBA despite Big Al and Walker. Coach Clifford is doing a beautiful job with Charlotte. It may not show this year but they could surprise a lot of people next year. They really just have three scorers(Big Al, Walker and Henderson) so they are losing a lots of games which they should win. They wanna make the POs pretty bad but to not make them could be the best thing for them. They would get their own draft pick if they are in the top10, they will most certainy get the Detroit pick(top 8 protected), they get Portlands pick as well and they have lot's of money because of the expiring contract from Ben Gordon. With that coach, that's a lot to work with.
Big Al:
Derrick:
Enes:
All of a sudden Big Al is the best defender out of the three guys. Wait...what? Crazy how things are going, isn't it? How can this happen? Well, There are not that many options actually. It could be that Big Al never was a bad defender in the first place and we were stupid to accuse him of being that, the other thing is that Corbin just can't preach defense or he can but he just uses a wrong "defensive system" for the players he has. Make your choice!
I'm shocked because of the post up numbers from the two big fellows! It was clear that Enes had some problems(there should be some improvement down the road just because of the fact that he is getting stronger again) but the numbers from Derrick are a little frightening to be honest with you guys. There have to be some adjustments from the coaching staff. Don't allow that entry pass, be more aggressive on the perimeter and make the opposing guards work for that pass. Let the big men front the post player and make the offense change their game plan or bring a double team every now and than. I'm not a defensive specialist but for god sakes do some. The post up numbers are just horrible!
Look @Big Als PnR number. Oh my goodness! Are you kidding me? Derricks number is not great but it is ok while Enes is just bad. Somebody said it in another thread it didn't look that bad the last year so why are we changing something that indeed worked? Now everybody is saying uhhh Enes is a bad defender he can't do none. He ain't great but he was at least average and there is no reason why he can't be that. And with a better defensive system this could be a good defensive team. The offense is already there just needs a little polishing.
The spot up shooting is also pretty bad and not just the big men Alec/Trey/Gordon are locking bad as well. This is an other major concern. Guys are sleeping on rotations, are a second to slow or rotating to the wrong player. Some times I don't even know if they're watching film.
Last night a good example for a missed rotation. The opposing team is running a PnR, the ball handler is penetrating and of course is beating our perimeter defender. In this case Enes is rotating to help but there is no "helping the helper" and of course his man is getting the ball and scores. All Ty sees is Enes and most of the fans are like "Enes...who else!". And they ran that play quite often and it's not just this game and not just Enes. It is also happening with Derrick and nobody is helping. Our big guys are really reading the plays well in my opinion and there are just two things they can do. Either they stay with their opponent and let the guard score or help and let their man score. Anyway you're the bad guy. The 2nd and 3rd help is not coming if there is a bet anywhere just bet on it.
Last thing about the Bobcats. I said it earlier they have one of the better defenses in the NBA despite Big Al and Walker. Coach Clifford is doing a beautiful job with Charlotte. It may not show this year but they could surprise a lot of people next year. They really just have three scorers(Big Al, Walker and Henderson) so they are losing a lots of games which they should win. They wanna make the POs pretty bad but to not make them could be the best thing for them. They would get their own draft pick if they are in the top10, they will most certainy get the Detroit pick(top 8 protected), they get Portlands pick as well and they have lot's of money because of the expiring contract from Ben Gordon. With that coach, that's a lot to work with.
Primetime's post outlines that the essence of defense in NBA is team defense. It is certainly better to have individuals Who can be good defenders, but you Cannot live without team D. (This is most evident against a team like the Spurs.
With Boozer and Memo,(and Ak who was good individually) the jazz went 21-4 over a stretch with the only metric change was points per 100 possessions . (I don't recall what year). AK then has injury and the defensive pp 100 metric goes back up and the Jazz are back to"normal"record .
Practicing Team D and Team 0 are high priorities for Jazz. Watching DF and EK , I don't worry about them as defenders . This is a metric that is more correlated to coaching. And this is the reason the Jazz stick With fixed (or fairly fixed) rotations. And here goes,: I think it is a big part of the love for vets. Marvin has provided the ''team element" and so has RJ . (Josh Howard was a failure in this regard) But now that the core5 have shown so well,lets see what happens to the rotations.
And finally, Big AL has better numbers on post up defense, which seems right to me. He is pretty good at that. DF will get there but this year, he is playing/ practicing fundamental defense. His D looks'formal"to me in that he is doing as instructed; it is not instinctual yet. (and he would still not get vet-benefits regarding fouls) Enes... I haven't conclude. I'm not so confident with his D. But he needs enough time back from injury And extended mins to evaluate his capability.
With Boozer and Memo,(and Ak who was good individually) the jazz went 21-4 over a stretch with the only metric change was points per 100 possessions . (I don't recall what year). AK then has injury and the defensive pp 100 metric goes back up and the Jazz are back to"normal"record .
Practicing Team D and Team 0 are high priorities for Jazz. Watching DF and EK , I don't worry about them as defenders . This is a metric that is more correlated to coaching. And this is the reason the Jazz stick With fixed (or fairly fixed) rotations. And here goes,: I think it is a big part of the love for vets. Marvin has provided the ''team element" and so has RJ . (Josh Howard was a failure in this regard) But now that the core5 have shown so well,lets see what happens to the rotations.
And finally, Big AL has better numbers on post up defense, which seems right to me. He is pretty good at that. DF will get there but this year, he is playing/ practicing fundamental defense. His D looks'formal"to me in that he is doing as instructed; it is not instinctual yet. (and he would still not get vet-benefits regarding fouls) Enes... I haven't conclude. I'm not so confident with his D. But he needs enough time back from injury And extended mins to evaluate his capability.
You might call this Kanter and Favors needing Burke, Hayward, Burks and the other perimeter players to not make so many mistakes. The bigs are always the last line of defense but it isn't all there responsilibity.
Jazz4ever
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Exactly, those charts don't take anything like that into account. Lets look at the defense per possession among their starters. Al is right at home.
Gilchrist: 0.99
McRoberts: 1.04
Walker: 1.04
Henderson: 1.06
Jefferson: 1.07