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Did I say he was a good defender? No. Dude you are the most antagonistic and negative poster on this board.

You're right, you didn't say he was a good defender. You implied that he was at least average, and perhaps a good defender, so I assumed…my bad.

Anyways, he's a below-average defender. He is, at the very least, on par with Parker on defense…except Parker at least shows that he can block some shots and get some steals, Randle does not show that. He shows limited defensive basketball IQ.

I wouldn't say I'm negative, I'm just #honest. I'm not going to ignore weaknesses because I like a player.
 
Laughable tbh. Maybe our 2nd round pick. Dude is 7'1 and averages 6.4 RPG.

Understandable take. I've just been so impressed with his offensive game in the tournament. I can see how it would be hard to keep him on the court though, not sure who he would be able to defend.

Perhaps a poor mans Ryan Anderson?
 
Laughable tbh. Maybe our 2nd round pick. Dude is 7'1 and averages 6.4 RPG.

Ah I misread this, I'd like him in 2nd round as well, not with GSW pick.

Yeah, I think it's common knowledge that he's a *****. But he is 7'1'' and can shoot with range and has some decent moves in the post. Wouldn't ever be able to start or anything, but would be worth taking a chance on
 
Understandable take. I've just been so impressed with his offensive game in the tournament. I can see how it would be hard to keep him on the court though, not sure who he would be able to defend.

Perhaps a poor mans Ryan Anderson?

Dude can score the ball no doubt. Will have a spot in the league somewhere, just doubt it in the first-round.
 
I can't get over how cool this play was. Give me Stauskas please.

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Shoulda dunked it!
 
Maybe it's because his defensive rating is below average.

In case you didn't know, defensive rating is a stat that estimates how many points a player allows per 100 possessions. The lower the score, the better. It certainly doesn't tell you who is the best, but it gives you a good idea of what level they're at on defense.

For example, his defensive rating is around a 97-98 if I remember right. Parker is at a 99. Doug McDermott is something crazy like 106. Embiid is at ~ 91. Marcus Smart is around a 92, but was at 86 his freshman year. Aaron Gordon is around an 89 rating. WCS is at a 91 (he really helped Randle out).

Basically what this tells me is that Embiid, Smart, Gordon and WCS are all really good at defense. Randle and Parker are below-average, and McDermott is horrible.

Also, is your eye test is telling you that Randle is a good defender, then you need to see a new eye doctor.

Dos steals doe

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Interesting quotes from ESPN chats ---

Tomas
Why Julius Randle isn't in the same group with Jabari Wiggins Embiid?For me he is a 20/10 guy waiting to happen. He will be 6'9 270-280 monster who is athletic can handle shoot pretty well for a PF, handle great for a PF, rebound great, pass well, and I believe he is a better defender at the next level than Parker

Chad Ford
He was at the start of the season. But Kentucky's struggles along with his own (didn't have the jump shot he was advertised to have and struggled to finish over length around the basket combined with uninspired defensive efforts) dinged his stock a little. He's still ranked No. 5 on our Big Board and in certain scenarios could go a little higher. His play in the first two rounds has been terrific. If he can outplay Monrezl Harrell of Louisville and lead UK to the Final Four, he might be back in that conversation. Scouts are willing to give these elite young prospects the benefit of the doubt.

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KS (Utah)
With Favors and Kanter on the Jazz, would Utah consider drafting Gordon in the 5-8 range? His defense seems great, which the Jazz lack.

Kevin Pelton
Given how ineffective the Favors-Kanter frontcourt has generally been, I think it's possible to argue that a power forward is Utah's biggest need rather than a position to be avoided.
 
Embiid - We already have Favors and Kanter, plus back problems.. Injuries with big men are bad.

Exum - Already said LA would be the best place for him to play, plus we have no real footage on him.

What about Favors back problems then he's had all season long? He'S also old. Why not get a younger big with back problems to town?
And as I said before there's plenty of Exum footage. I just think most of you guys aren't capable of interpreting it #NoOffense

PG Burke
SG Hayward
SF Randle/Gordon
PF Favors
C Kanter

6th Man: Burks

That's a big line-up and I think it could be very successful.

Is this account (tk)³ highjacked? I've never seen you as the kind of Joe Dumars quality fan.
THis is basically this year's Detroit team with equally bad shooting in S5 and even less on the bench.

Julius Randle is as much of a SF as Anthony Bennett.

THIS

You are aware he plays at Kentucky, right?

So he needs a helicopter?

If Randle is drafted, then Kanter or Favors should get traded...and I would assume it would be Kanter, as a frontcourt with Randle and Kanter would be absolutely terrible on defense.

Trading Kanter/Favors should result in a good wing player, so if they feel that Randle is a better option than one of those two, then they should do that.

As always when I read such general suggestions. Create a specific scenario, who'd really need a big with the skillset of Kanter or Favors and has intriguing chips that the Jazz want and are redundant for that team.

Include dead Amare-Stoudemire kind of salary to make the numbers work and we'll have something rep-worthy...

If the Jazz get Randle, then I think we're pretty comparable to the Memphis Grizzlies talentwise, although I think our guards have more upside.

Think that's a very good comparison IMO.
As close as it getts. But I feel the Grizz are a team that is worth a 5-7 seed every year in the West, especially when you subtract Gasol's passing skills.
 
That's it. I'm going to produce and market a new beer.

Julius Randle on the can and it reads, "Lebron James - Lite"

That would've been the task for the ****face gameface!

Hotnick hasn't gone full retard, he's been full retard.

Well he had his emotions under control for a couple of weeks. Now he's returned to his absolute low...

Flick back a few pages, there's plenty of evidence of Randle's SF skills, handling of the ball, quickness off the dribble, playmaking in open court, half court, etc. Together with the similarity physical attribute makes him 'lite'.


Not to mention Marcus Lee's testimony, which was extremely #Honest

No offense, but you should maybe try to listen a bit more. To experts. Just read a little grantland bleacher report or whatever. But I can tell you these predictions aren't only wrong they're ****ing wrong.
Or you're simply from the 80s and 90s and have no clue about metrics and new age system basketball.
Allen Iverson had neither when he couldn't understand why none wanted to pay him shotloads of money any longer.

You guys can call Marcus Lee a liar for comparing Randle to LeBron all you want, but he's a very honest man, and I respect him.


Plus he's in the Final Four, which is more that what you've all achieved, COMBINED.

How much has he earned on his way through the NCAA tourney?

That's true.

If Royce had an ounce of Randle's intangibles.. (rhymes)

I thought with what your wrote about your family in the other thread you'd be the first to understand Royce's condition. But I'm prolly just misinterpreting your statement ;)
 
Bro, he plays basketball with Julius, he eats, sleeps with the guy, I would take his word for it when he says Randle can be LeBron (lite or otherwise).

Yeah and my mom says I can be president. What's he gonna say? "Randle sucks and he'll be the next Darko"?

That's the best answer on this.

Maybe it's because his defensive rating is below average.

In case you didn't know, defensive rating is a stat that estimates how many points a player allows per 100 possessions. The lower the score, the better. It certainly doesn't tell you who is the best, but it gives you a good idea of what level they're at on defense.

For example, his defensive rating is around a 97-98 if I remember right. Parker is at a 99. Doug McDermott is something crazy like 106. Embiid is at ~ 91. Marcus Smart is around a 92, but was at 86 his freshman year. Aaron Gordon is around an 89 rating. WCS is at a 91 (he really helped Randle out).

Basically what this tells me is that Embiid, Smart, Gordon and WCS are all really good at defense. Randle and Parker are below-average, and McDermott is horrible.

Also, is your eye test is telling you that Randle is a good defender, then you need to see a new eye doctor.

Since DRtg is team defense and only becomes a more individual indicator when you consider on-off stats and it's still even then bad I'm not putting a lot of weight on these numbers. Also different teams have different strength of schedules.

My eye test tells me he puts in mixed effort at best and he's not really put much emphasis into this end of the court in his practice.

Given his deficits on offense I see why and it's going to be a long road for Julius until he is on an all star level IMO.

NBA teams are going to punish his lack of a right hand both for dribbling and shooting purposes hard and funnel him into spots on the court where he's not efficient that it's not gonna be pretty.
Add to this that his left hand handle isn't what it was advertised as well. Plus his shooting is lacking in accuracy plus he's not the longest around the rims and you can easily see how his most efficient part of the game will be
-transition
-cuts
-putbacks
early on!
But maybe he ends up on a team sucking balls so hard that opponents won't care about his strengths until his team starts winning and coaches might not be able to convince him to actually improve his game until it's too late. Think of that juggernaut.

For my taste he's got too many construction sites that look like Syrian cities. He's between half a year and a year older than your typical frosh and that's why he's still #5 on my board.

But I heard Cleveland plans to take him #1 if they win the lottery again!

I can't get over how cool this play was. Give me Stauskas please.

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That play was very sneaky :)
Plus Stauskas will open a Lithuanian Canadian whore house. Which is definately a plus!

Why would she be less honest than lee?

I think kkk has entered his trolling state again as highlighted by PKmoe's powercircle.
I've had enough of him #timeout

Interesting quotes from ESPN chats ---

Tomas
Why Julius Randle isn't in the same group with Jabari Wiggins Embiid?For me he is a 20/10 guy waiting to happen. He will be 6'9 270-280 monster who is athletic can handle shoot pretty well for a PF, handle great for a PF, rebound great, pass well, and I believe he is a better defender at the next level than Parker

Chad Ford
He was at the start of the season. But Kentucky's struggles along with his own (didn't have the jump shot he was advertised to have and struggled to finish over length around the basket combined with uninspired defensive efforts) dinged his stock a little. He's still ranked No. 5 on our Big Board and in certain scenarios could go a little higher. His play in the first two rounds has been terrific. If he can outplay Monrezl Harrell of Louisville and lead UK to the Final Four, he might be back in that conversation. Scouts are willing to give these elite young prospects the benefit of the doubt.

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KS (Utah)
With Favors and Kanter on the Jazz, would Utah consider drafting Gordon in the 5-8 range? His defense seems great, which the Jazz lack.

Kevin Pelton
Given how ineffective the Favors-Kanter frontcourt has generally been, I think it's possible to argue that a power forward is Utah's biggest need rather than a position to be avoided.

Interesting opinion's that definately have some truth attached IMO.
 
I know this sounds rather ridiculous since we haven't seen him play much, but I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of Exum starting and Burke coming off of the bench in the future.

I know I give a lot of one word replies around here but "This".

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@BTP - Royce has been, is, and always will be, a douche. He may very well have anxiety issues.. but he has constantly found new and creative ways to use it as an excuse to be the biggest, most ridiculous whiny bitch, in the history of the world.
 
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I'm going on record here:

I hope the jazz use Burke as bait to move up in the draft -- whether that's with our pick or with the GSW pick. Watching Burks is confirming what I knew from the beginning of the season: let him and Hay play the guards and push the pace. Surround them in the half-court with good scorers.

Maybe Burke will come back next year a changed man, but he looks timid and very limited to me.

I like that idea.

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@BTP - Royce has been, is, and always will be, a douche. He may very well have anxiety issues.. but he has constantly found new and creative ways to use it as an excuse to be the biggest, most ridiculous whiny bitch, in the history of the world.

Fair enough. Guess I simply never read the stories where he's abusive towards others. Given his media popularity they should be all over the place if they existed.

I also think if a GM/coach was truly supportive of his medical condition they'd fend off criticism in the media and have his back. From day 1 none had his back in Houston. I think that's a big part why this became such a mess.

They have his back, eventually trust will develop. If it doesn't you know you did everything possible to make the situation work and don't have any remorse and move on.
 
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