Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[cowhide]

Because Hayward still has a good chance to greatly improve as soon as this upcoming season. But the main point is that we have to match for the sole purpose we won't be able to spend that money anywhere else. Although that seems like an awful reason to match, it is the reality given the Jazz will never be able to lure a max-level FA. That's the bottom line.

There are other FAs out there that the Jazz can get that don't require giving out max deals. Parsons, Ariza, Deng etc. Take on a bad contract one year and get another first

 

[cowhide]

I've got a better one.


S&T Hayward to CHA, with the option of swapping Kanter with Vonleh.


We get a better defender with Vonleh who is a true PF and is a better fit next to Favors.


Burke/Neto
Exum/Burks
Hood/Marvin
Vonleh/Evans
Favors/Gobert


Nice young team going forward.

I wouldn't say that is a better idea. Jazz give up two NBA players for a rookie. Charlotte would jump on that real fast.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Did Manu get paid a max deal when he came into the league?

Forget the contract - I'm just speaking as a player and what GH brings (more importantly, can potentially bring)... Like I said a few times already, that money that will go to Hayward wouldn't/couldn't be used to bring in someone better because no one signs with the Jazz. It'd be one thing if we were a playoff team, but last year was a dumpster fire and no one is signing up for that in a small market.

 

[cowhide]

To be fair, in all my posts linking the two names I've clearly stated Hayward isn't close to Manu yet. Manu also came to the NBA when he was 25. Hayward turns 25 next season.

I sorry if I implied it was you but other people have used Hayward is close to Manu as their argument. So again, if you didn't say that I am sorry for suggesting you did.

 

[kyjazzfan]

Why not offer Parsons 4 year 12 million and call it a day? It isn't just the money that is the issue, but if Hayward gets $16 a year then all the players on the Jazz are going to use that as part of their negotiating tactic. Jazz can't even say Well, Hayward improved so he earned the contract...Nope he is getting a max contract after his worse year. Hayward even admitted that the loss of AJ and Millsap made it more difficult to get his shot off. Now you want to pay him max money even though he isn't a number one option. if DL does this deal it will be AK all over again.

Wait until Hayward starts clanking shots or turning the ball over the pressure will be immense and if this past season is an example on how Hayward can handle the pressure than it could get ugly real fast.

It'll be interesting to see what Parsons gets. But there seems to be enough interest in him (and enough teams with plenty of cap room), that I really think he'll get more than 12 mill/yr. My guess is that he'll get close to the max when it's all said and done. But even if he doesn't... there's enough interest in him that I doubt the Jazz are his first choice in destinations. After LBJ and Bosh make their decisions, I expect Parsons to be in high demand. Which mean the likelyhood of him coming to Utah becomes very slim.

So I think really our choices are... match Hayward, or overpay on a bunch of one year players just meet the cap floor and keep cap flexibility. Which I'm not sure will really help anyway. Since there seems to be more teams with cap flexibility than elite players... I think some teams will be forced to keep there cap flexibility which means the market will be inflated again next year as well. So we'd be back in the same boat again of having to overpay a FA, only without Hayward. Not a pretty scenario. At least this way, we are making some use of our cap room on a prospect they think has a good chance to continue to improve.

 

[fishonjazz]

Anyone who thinks the Jazz will be hurt financially by this and wont have any space in the coming years are ignorant and don't know what they're talking about.

Well you could probably survive financially if you were to give me 100 dollars so you should just go ahead and give me money...... cause you can.

 

[addictionary]

So once you pay him he is going to be the All-star player that his supporters think he is. Maybe this is as good as it gets with Hayward. He has been in the league for 4 years and his numbers have been going down. Not saying that Hayward isn't a good player but you don't pay the max to a player who hasn't proven he is capable of being that guy.

I agree that he has never performed the level of a max. salary player, but I believe he will become one. Still no excuse for giving him that much money unless you lack the space to stash your cash, but it kinda leaves me undecided whether to match or not is the clever choice for the Jazz. His potential got addictive or something, I dunno.

 

[fishonjazz]

I just voted yes to the match. I've struggled with the idea of matching a max offer to G-Time, but I've finally come around. Obviously, not the popular opinion, but here's the thought process on what tipped my opinion in Gordo's favor:

-Tyrone Corbin and his staff were HORRIBLE at player development. I can honestly say that Hayward (as well as others) were held back from reaching their full potential under Corbin. Now, that's not to say that I think Hayward can be a 25/8/8 player, but I do think it's realistic to say that with the proper player develpment staff in place, he still has yet to hit his ceiling.

-It sounds like the offer sheet includes a player opt out in year 4. If Hayward under performs, he'd most assuredly opt in for year 4, but that gives the Jazz an expiring deal to possibly move. Not only that, but if 3 years down the road, Utah is making a push towards contention and they find themselves unable to move an under performing Hayward, I could see the Miller family agreeing to an amnesty if it meant the move would result in Utah adding a player that made us legit contenders.

-Lindsay is a smart man. I do believe he will be able to find a way to jettison Hayward if need be in order to keep other key cogs in place (Exum, Burke, etc).

-I'm of the firm belief that on a very talented team, Hayward is that much more valuable of a player. He does a lot of things that can affect the outcome of a game. If Favors continues to improve, Exum turns out to be all that we dreamed of, and Burke solidifies himself, I see Hayward improving greatly as a guy who is no longer the main focus of opposing teams scouting reports.

Flame away, but I match the contract. I don't think Hayward has hit his ceiling and if Snyder lives up to his rep as a player development guru, this contract doesn't look so bad 2 or 3 years down the road.

Flame on.

Not a horrible post. (Much better than the whole "we have money so we should just spend it durp durp" arguement)

I dont think we will be able to amnesty hayward though

 

[l Abach l]

Here are my main reasons for not matching:
1) G Time doesn't make his teammates better. Examples are big al, millsap, and carroll all leaving and becoming better players.
2) His stats were inflated last year. If you can't see that then your thumb is up your ***. People say, "but he was one of five players who averaged 15-5-5.." He also had the ball in his hand 95% of every offensive possession. He had more opportunity to create assists, and also to score. The results were pretty on his stat sheet, but also the worst record in the west. (15-5-5 shooting horrifically from the 3)
3) I believe exum will run the offense, which will decrease G's stats. Sire, his fg% might go up, but his assists and ppg will level off to pre last year numbers.
4) If burks and kanter do well next year and we pay big money for them, that's basically our salary cap til we extenf exum.
5) AK all over. Just because we have money doesn't mean we need to spend money
6) jazz were ****ing TERRIBLE last year with Gordon as the #1 option. Why in the hell would we reward that ???

 

[Spaniard]

He's been in the league long enough that we know who he is. Those who are expecting more out of his potential are going to be disappointed. Remember when we gave AK that contract, expecting that he would only get better and better? Not only did he not get any better, he actually regressed.

I don't think you look at GH for what "he could be", you have to look at who he is. I agree that Corbin was not a good coach, but there were times when GH was the worst player on the floor simply because he couldn't make a wide open shot. Remember teams daring him to shoot? That is who he is. I was intrigued to see what the new coaching staff could get out of him but I don't think it's worth the risk of him playing like a 8M to 10M player when we're paying him 16M.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Ah screw it. I change my vote to yes, we should match. The first time this will really truly affect us is next summer when we want to re-sign Burks and Kanter. We would have about 38M tied up in Gordo, Favors, Burke and Gobert, assuming we pick up the team options on the latter two. If we pay Kanter and Burks a combined 22M (do we really think someone is paying them 11M each? I don't), we're then at 60M for the core six along with another say 4M for our rookie 1st next season, plus Hood, which brings us to about 65M for our core eight. Since this coming season's cap is supposed to be around 63.2M, I would guess the season after would be above that 65M figure.

I guess, in short, what I'm saying is that we should be just fine retaining this core this season, the one after as illustrated, and even after that.

**** it. Match this clown.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Here are my main reasons for not matching:
1) G Time doesn't make his teammates better. Examples are big al, millsap, and carroll all leaving and becoming better players.

What?

 

[fishonjazz]

Let me simplify it for you:

Burks: "Yo Lindsay Gordon got $15.75M annually, I want at least 13!"
Lindsay: "I don't care, get someone to sign you to that amount."
Burks Agent: "None has that amount of cap space and wants to invest that much into you"
Burks: "OK $9M annually it is, but I'm a sad panda now"

Actuallu i heard espn saying that even more teams will have lots of cap space and be more willing to spend next year since the cap is going up.

And bosh, wade, lebron, melo wont be free agents so teams will have to spend thier money on lesser players (like burks)

 

[ema]

We can steal Luol Deng from other teams with less money than the Gordo-Max. I'd rather overpay Deng instead of maxing Hayward.

 

[franklin]

This is going to be a no-brainer after the new TV deal is signed. Glad for a forward looking DL who isn't caught up in the fan reaction to a dollar figure rather than realities of the business.

 

[The Thriller]

At any point last year did you see Gordon and say, "damn! We need to pay this great player the max! He's in the same category as Lebron and KD"?

No?

Ok, then that's your answer as to whether we should pay him the max.

 

[franklin]

Actuallu i heard espn saying that even more teams will have lots of cap space and be more willing to spend next year since the cap is going up.

And bosh, wade, lebron, melo wont be free agents so teams will have to spend thier money on lesser players (like burks)

I guess we shouldn't pay Hayward this year because maybe someone will blow Burks away with a $9,000,000 offer sheet next summer. What a silly stance to take.

 

[The Thriller]

We can steal Luol Deng from other teams with less money than the Gordo-Max. I'd rather overpay Deng instead of maxing Hayward.

Totally agree. Unlike Hayward, Deng can hit the 3 and play defense.

 

[The Pearl]

At any point last year did you see Gordon and say, "damn! We need to pay this great player the max! He's in the same category as Lebron and KD"?

No?

Ok, then that's your answer as to whether we should pay him the max.

You are correct in that GH is not worth the max. A question or two for you than.... Assuming DL is not a complete lunatic and is somewhat competent, why do you think he is adamant about matching?

 

[GVC]

Like I said a few times already, that money that will go to Hayward wouldn't/couldn't be used to bring in someone better because no one signs with the Jazz.

This has been covered multiple times. The Jazz HAVE signed quality free agents when they've had cap space: Last offseason they traded the space for picks, in 2004 they signed Boozer and Memo, in 2003 they signed Corey Maggette and Jason Terry to offer sheets (that were matched). The Jazz have rarely had significant cap space over the last 20 years.