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Game Thread - 1/2/15 Atlanta at Utah - 7 pm local

mellow said:
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The guys that get paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to evaluate players have no excuse. DoL is lucky he bought himself a mulligan with Gobert otherwise he would be sweating right now.
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I do agree that it was a management screwup. It could be blamed on DL, but I know he said that Ty wanted Brick. So, did DL get overruled? Did Ty have more suck? Don't think we will ever know.

Management should have known his limits. I heard the radio guys interview "NBA scout" Dec 2013 about Brick. Scout said he was short, slow, and limited.

All that said, I expect him to become a better shooter over time since that seems to be the common story in the NBA. He better, and he better hurry up or he could be joining Marbury over in China.
 
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fallenchicken said:
This seems to be true--KOC still seemed to be heavily involved. The Jazz drafted for need, which they shouldn't of done, but I do think there was some misguided pressure to pretend like you were improving the team. But it was an awful draft and I think that scrambled everyone's game plan--nobody wanted picks in that draft, I remember. For this exact reason: almost everyone drafted is a "bust", and now the fanbase is pissed about it. I feel like the Jazz made a move for Trey just because it was available and why not? Obviously the warning signs with Trey were there--but I don't think anyone thought his shooting would be this bad.

And in the same draft they turn around and buy Rudy for cash--who would almost certainly go top 5 if it was redone today. We took a small chance and missed with Burke; but knocked it out with Rudy. I don't know how you can call that a "mulligan"--we got one of the best freaking players in the draft at like 28.
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All of this is true, but so is the fact that Gobert and Neto were available at our two later picks. Schroeder and Giannis were both on board at 14 as well. Jazz still could've drafted on potential and innate talent, rather than resume and need. Bad draft or not, the scouting report on Trey was entirely ignored. Would've much rather swung on the long shots like Giannis and Schroeder, especially in a bad draft where everyonewas essentialy wasting heir pick, than go for slow and steady. A very bad decisin that I hope is never repeated.

Wait, we did trade our second round pick in 2014 for a second rounder in a worse draft.

So far I''d say th DL era is 2/3 in each draft.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Getting beat by our casts offs is a hard pill to swallow. These home losses are like a punch in the stomach. Burke was awful, but so was Kanter and Hayward in the 1st half. Hay is having an all-star year whether he makes it not, but is not a legit #1 player on a top team. Not even close, yet. Favors is too passive. Our offense got swallowed up by the Hawks pressure defense. We need a shooter for ****s sake. Ian is garbage.
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Didn't we let them ALL go for nothing?

2 all stars (jeff and mill), 2 pretty good players (junk yard and Korver), and 3 vets (Mo, Jefferson, and Williams).

How the hell didn't we get just a 2nd round pick for some of these guys? Sheesh
 
Revolution 9 said:
Getting beat by our casts offs is a hard pill to swallow. These home losses are like a punch in the stomach. Burke was awful, but so was Kanter and Hayward in the 1st half. Hay is having an all-star year whether he makes it not, but is not a legit #1 player on a top team. Not even close, yet. Favors is too passive. Our offense got swallowed up by the Hawks pressure defense. We need a shooter for ****s sake. Ian is garbage.
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How was Enes awful in the 1st half? I don't remember him playing a whole lot. I do remember him being the only starter being able to make a shot (was 3/6 at half time). I also remember him rotating on D, then having to run out to the 3 pt line full speed because noone rotated to the perimeter. Are you blaming him for that? That's on our 1-2 gaurds.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Giannis was such a huge risk. Jazz were not the only team to pass him up. I really don't fault DL for taking Burke. Every draft board had him ranked highly. Jazz needed a PG and the choice was either Trey or MCW. MCW hasn't been any better. Gobert was a steal. And I think DL drafted well with Exum/Hood.
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I agree 100%.
 
The Thriller said:
Didn't we let them ALL go for nothing?

2 all stars (jeff and mill), 2 pretty good players (junk yard and Korver), and 3 vets (Mo, Jefferson, and Williams).

How the hell didn't we get just a 2nd round pick for some of these guys? Sheesh
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No.

And, when did Jefferson make the All-Star team? tia
 
FYI the last 8 games(212 MIN) when Enes was on the court we had a DefRtg of 98.2 when he was off the court it was @104.6

When Trey was on the court(255 MIN) our DefRtg was @104.5 with him off the court it was @94.3

Something has to happen with Trey's minutes. He can't play that much he is just hurting the team. Please Q do something.

People wanna see more of Rudy and I totally agree but it shouldn't be for any of Enes' minutes.
 
All-NBA is basically the same thing as All-Star but the All-NBA is awarded for the entire year's performance while the All-Star is for the 1st half only. So yeah, All-NBA is more prestigious, no argument really.
 
Cy said:
All-NBA is basically the same thing as All-Star but the All-NBA is awarded for the entire year's performance while the All-Star is for the 1st half only. So yeah, All-NBA is more prestigious, no argument really.
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Only difference I could see is that there are 15 All-NBA guys versus 25 all stars every year. But yeah I agree with you. The difference in skill is not that much considering that both teams are comprised of basically the same players.
 
Primetime said:
FYI the last 8 games(212 MIN) when Enes was on the court we had a DefRtg of 98.2 when he was off the court it was @104.6

When Trey was on the court(255 MIN) our DefRtg was @104.5 with him off the court it was @94.3

Something has to happen with Trey's minutes. He can't play that much he is just hurting the team. Please Q do something.

People wanna see more of Rudy and I totally agree but it shouldn't be for any of Enes' minutes.
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I am certain that DL and QS have some sort of plan in mind. First, trey's replacement is already here, he just needs a couple of years to take over. So, what do you do in the meantime? I agree that right now he is killing the team. My guess is that they know that the Jazz are not going anywhere this year and that trey has little trade value. So he is a placeholder that they are trying to groom into a decent backup.

I do wonder what they think about his toll on the team emotionally and developmentally. Maybe they will have to bring in a journeyman pass-first PG to tide them over. Gotta be tough for the other guys to see possible wins tossed away grooming trey and dante.
 
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