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Jazz trade Fonteccio to Pistons for 2024 2nd

I’ll bet Knox gets rerouted. He has no value except maybe for salary purposes. And I think it’s likely the 2nd round pick is traded. Fournier/ Grimes may be incoming. But I wonder if De’andre Hunter could be the target for the Jazz.
 
I have no idea how the jazz view Knox but I have wanted to give him a look for a while now. I liked his potential coming out of Kentucky and every once in a while he has a game where you say this guy has a chance to be solid.
 
This trade seems to surprise many. But Danny’s task is to build a championship team (not a play-in team). He obviously thinks Simone was never going to be a required piece in his championship/contender team whenever its ready, so he trades him to get assets rather than getting nothing. KO and THT are next, and hopefully Clarkson, too, although he’s not expiring. … I’m still a bit wary about OKC’s mountain of FRPs and Lauri. I guess I shouldn’t be. No one else here seems to be.
 
It is at this point every year that I come to the realization that Jake Fischer is generally full of crap when it comes to trade rumors. . .
 
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underdog said:
This trade seems to surprise many. But Danny’s task is to build a championship team (not a play-in team). He obviously thinks Simone was never going to be a required piece in his championship/contender team whenever its ready, so he trades him to get assets rather than getting nothing. KO and THT are next, and hopefully Clarkson, too, although he’s not expiring. … I’m still a bit wary about OKC’s mountain of FRPs and Lauri. I guess I shouldn’t be. No one else here seems to be.
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Lauri would have to be the biggest godfather offer for us to consider
 
I doubt Knox will ever suit up for us.

We are obviously in the deal for that Wiz second and that kid playing in Europe.
 
I looked at Knox's stats this season and they appear comparable to Tech's. He's moved around quite a bit for some reason.
 
bigmike said:
I'm a bit surprised by the consensus reaction, I like this trade for us. Not sure I get it from Detroit's perspective.

Simone is a good players and could be a "piece" on a contending team, but we are nowhere near that. DA clearly remains laser-focused on acquiring assets with future value to go out and get the franchise cornerstones when the time is right. Obviously we're trying to win come tipoff time, but it's pretty damn obvious the FO has not been trying to win from a roster construction standpoint the last 24 months. If we move JC, Sexton (we shouldn't), KO, etc. nobody should be expecting "win now" pieces in return.

The 2nd this year from Detroit is valuable. It's essentially a late first, has more near-term value than a heavily protected FRP that won't convey for 2+ years (if ever), and puts us in a great spot to trade into the late first if there's someone we are targeting in that range come draft night.

And I suppose I'm higher on Knox than most - the raw material is still there, he's just been on bad, bad teams. Hardy can clearly get the most out of players with good size, length, and shooting ability. It wasn't long ago that Lauri was also massively wasted.
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Just look at the deal this way.

Simone will have to get paid in the summer and if his agent valuation of his extension exceeds our own evaluation and there is reason to believe that there will be another team that's willing to give him the money that his party desired, there's nothing wrong with us deciding to cash in now.

Shooters are the most sought after assets in the league. But for this reason the market is extremely inflated which produced some of the worst contracts we've ever seen. Davis Bertans, Joe Harris, Duncan Robinson, etc.

Maybe we dodged a bullet or maybe we just lowballed a great player. Only time will tell.
 
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fishonjazz said:
I remember being unhappy about when the jazz traded FOUR rotational players and 2 picks for what might be 1 pick. We were in the playoff hunt at the time.

And I wasn't near as unhappy as some in this thread are lol. I remember Cy thinking that trade was a good one.

Oh how the tables have turned.

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Not that there’s necessarily a huge overlap in these groups, but I have seen at least a couple people say they like this trade who have scoffed at complaints of not getting second rounders in deals (Bojan, Beverley, having to be the one throwing in two seconds in the Conley deal, etc.) who would mention how dumb of a complaint that is, how seconds are worthless and how they can just be bought on draft night, but yet happy to see us make a trade specifically for a second. I think it has more to do with a general disposition that the experts make expert decisions, and if devaluing second rounders is one, it’s genius, and if it’s trading for a second rounder, it’s also genius. It’s like when Leo tries to kill Bob but Bob sees it as being cured.

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Not that there’s necessarily a huge overlap in these groups, but I have seen at least a couple people say they like this trade who have scoffed at complaints of not getting second rounders in deals (Bojan, Beverley, having to be the one throwing in two seconds in the Conley deal, etc.) who would mention how dumb of a complaint that is, how seconds are worthless and how they can just be bought on draft night, but yet happy to see us make a trade specifically for a second. I think it has more to do with a general disposition that the experts make expert decisions, and if devaluing second rounders is one, it’s genius, and if it’s trading for a second rounder, it’s also genius. It’s like when Leo tries to kill Bob but Bob sees it as being cured.

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A second rounder from a playoff team and a second rounder from the Wizards aren't remotely the same thing.
 
framer said:
A second rounder from a playoff team and a second rounder from the Wizards aren't remotely the same thing.
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Detroit (Bojan trade) is a playoff team? And seconds a few years out?
 
sip said:
I have no idea how the jazz view Knox but I have wanted to give him a look for a while now. I liked his potential coming out of Kentucky and every once in a while he has a game where you say this guy has a chance to be solid.
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Was drafted in 2018 and still only 24. That's kind of crazy. He had a very promising rookie year and has been kind trash/average since. Guys that show flashes like that, but never put it together can be bad religion. I'm not expecting anything, but worth it to see if he can turn things around to be serviceable.
 
Fontecchio's final play in a jazz uniform was throwing the ball away down the stretch vs OKC. Luckily Dunn stripped SGA(i actually dont think he stepped out of bounds, but he stole the inbounds pass anyways). I guess time will tell if we won or lost the trade but I wish him the best. I'll always remember the dunk vs GSW to win the game.
 
bigmike said:
I'm a bit surprised by the consensus reaction, I like this trade for us. Not sure I get it from Detroit's perspective.

Simone is a good players and could be a "piece" on a contending team, but we are nowhere near that. DA clearly remains laser-focused on acquiring assets with future value to go out and get the franchise cornerstones when the time is right. Obviously we're trying to win come tipoff time, but it's pretty damn obvious the FO has not been trying to win from a roster construction standpoint the last 24 months. If we move JC, Sexton (we shouldn't), KO, etc. nobody should be expecting "win now" pieces in return.

The 2nd this year from Detroit is valuable. It's essentially a late first, has more near-term value than a heavily protected FRP that won't convey for 2+ years (if ever), and puts us in a great spot to trade into the late first if there's someone we are targeting in that range come draft night.

And I suppose I'm higher on Knox than most - the raw material is still there, he's just been on bad, bad teams. Hardy can clearly get the most out of players with good size, length, and shooting ability. It wasn't long ago that Lauri was also massively wasted.
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Firstly, kudos on your post in the Manash thread regarding most likely suspects. I hadn’t seen Tech’s name in print for possible trades till you called it.

Also, and this applies to most the posts I’ve seen referring to Knox and a second, no mention of the draft rights to the Italian (sound familiar?) Gabriele Procida. This kid definitely has potential as a solid 6’8” Wing with a 35” vertical and notable defensive prowess. Second rounder for Portland in 22 but a lot of talk that he could have gone a lot higher. So basically, we got two picks along with Knox.
 
homeytennis said:
I looked at Knox's stats this season and they appear comparable to Tech's. He's moved around quite a bit for some reason.
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The "moved around quite a bit for some reason" can really be a red flag...
If Ochai takes Fonteccio's place as a starter the Jazz's starting five is losing in size and making defensive switches harder and strong PF/C types will be hard to defend in the paint. If Knox proves to be even some value the deal isn't all that bad (if he is even staying... have to see what still happens before the deadline - probably a lot). Who knows - maybe Procida will be a surprise asset (looks more athletic than Fonteccio tbh, but highlight videos are only that...).
 
Release the Kraken said:
Firstly, kudos on your post in the Manash thread regarding most likely suspects. I hadn’t seen Tech’s name in print for possible trades till you called it.

Also, and this applies to most the posts I’ve seen referring to Knox and a second, no mention of the draft rights to the Italian (sound familiar?) Gabriele Procida. This kid definitely has potential as a solid 6’8” Wing with a 35” vertical and notable defensive prowess. Second rounder for Portland in 22 but a lot of talk that he could have gone a lot higher. So basically, we got two picks along with Knox.
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Lately there was lots of Tech related news out there.

But I said this in December before the trade season even properly began when people were discussing trading away Collins:
HermanG said:
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There are other much more likely trade candidates to be discussed, like KO, JC, THT and even Fontecchio (as well as he has played lately, he isnt cornerstone material and could definitely bring in some value).
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HermanG said:
Like if you compare the prospect of trading Collins with the prospect of trading Fontecchio you can say:
  • Neither one is a cornerstone piece, so both are equally possible trade fodder
  • Collins is almost 2 full years younger than Fontecchio, so keeping him makes more sense age-wise
  • Collins makes 25M per year for this + 2 more years, while Fontecchio makes 3M this year and is RFA next summer, so Tech has MUCH more tradable contract
  • Both are on the way of the rookies minutes
I get that people project what they want to see happen, but realistically trading Tech makes more sense. Dont know where Hardy would stand on this.
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