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Taylor Hendricks Hype Thread

KqWIN said:
I've always believed the bolded....but when he didn't meet that expectation I got flamed for saying I expected him to do this. When he wasn't playing, people were acting like I was crazy for thinking this.
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Oh I did too. it was clear Simone/KO were just better. Imagine we don't make the John Collins trade and we have all that cap space and TH had room to grow all season. The rotation was just crowded.

And I'm fine with how it worked out as I think G League likely helped for a bit. So whatevs. Just amazing how impatient we are as fans and how quickly we like to determine winners and losers. shrug.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Oh I did too. it was clear Simone/KO were just better. Imagine we don't make the John Collins trade and we have all that cap space and TH had room to grow all season. The rotation was just crowded.

And I'm fine with how it worked out as I think G League likely helped for a bit. So whatevs. Just amazing how impatient we are as fans and how quickly we like to determine winners and losers. shrug.
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I just thought it was funny that I got flamed, by people who were obviously pro-TH, for having any kind of expectation for TH. Like it was a crime to think he could actually play and I was being totally unreasonable for not expecting him to be a G-League player. The goalposts were moving like nothing I've ever seen before. It was like their identity to be right about TH, so as long as they had piss low expectations they were right no matter what he did. I don't actually think it's being impatient to expect some rookies to have an easier time contributing, and then when they don't to be disappointed by that. Having expectations of a player means you're higher on that player, but we got it twisted on this forum.

Part of the deal with Hendricks is that his game is extremely limited....but the other side of that is that he can be a contributor in the extremely limited role. To me he was always a prospect that *should have been able to contribute earlier. It's much easier to be a contributor as someone who never dribbles and just hustles versus a player who is tasked to be a lead ball handler.

I haven't been discouraged by Taylor's play....I guess the thing that makes me nervous is that he doesn't seem to be getting rave reviews behind the scenes, or at least that's what we know and Hardy doesn't seem super enthused to play him. Wouldn't surprise me if he has some Rudy Gobert phenomena attached to him where players don't respect him because he's not a hooper.
 
KqWIN said:
I just thought it was funny that I got flamed, by people who were obviously pro-TH, for having any kind of expectation for TH. Like it was a crime to think he could actually play and I was being totally unreasonable for not expecting him to be a G-League player. The goalposts were moving like nothing I've ever seen before. It was like their identity to be right about TH, so as long as they had piss low expectations they were right no matter what he did. I don't actually think it's being impatient to expect some rookies to have an easier time contributing, and then when they don't to be disappointed by that. Having expectations of a player means you're higher on that player, but we got it twisted on this forum.

Part of the deal with Hendricks is that his game is extremely limited....but the other side of that is that he can be a contributor in the extremely limited role. To me he was always a prospect that *should have been able to contribute earlier. It's much easier to be a contributor as someone who never dribbles and just hustles versus a player who is tasked to be a lead ball handler.

I haven't been discouraged by Taylor's play....I guess the thing that makes me nervous is that he doesn't seem to be getting rave reviews behind the scenes, or at least that's what we know and Hardy doesn't seem super enthused to play him. Wouldn't surprise me if he has some Rudy Gobert phenomena attached to him where players don't respect him because he's not a hooper.
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His early play in like pre-season or whatever was pretty discouraging because he was very stagnant. I think it was just indecisiveness... I started having a few doubts but obviously just wanted to see what it looks like when he is comfortable.

I think where we differ and where I may have cross swords with you (if I did... can't remember at all) is I didn't think it was super reasonable to think he would overtake Simone and KO for a rotation spot immediately once he had shown he was pretty raw. Simone was clearly a better player than we all thought pre-season.

I don't see guys as negative towards him at all. The Rudy stuff was a young French kid who was very confident and a little abrasive imo. Taylor seems quiet.. I thought Hardy spoke of him and Brice pretty positively just indicated they were working but not ready. When guys don't know what to do and are as spastic as Taylor is at times it has to be tough to deal with as a coach. Its this mystery box that control freaks probably don't love.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
His early play in like pre-season or whatever was pretty discouraging because he was very stagnant. I think it was just indecisiveness... I started having a few doubts but obviously just wanted to see what it looks like when he is comfortable.

I think where we differ and where I may have cross swords with you (if I did... can't remember at all) is I didn't think it was super reasonable to think he would overtake Simone and KO for a rotation spot immediately once he had shown he was pretty raw. Simone was clearly a better player than we all thought pre-season.

I don't see guys as negative towards him at all. The Rudy stuff was a young French kid who was very confident and a little abrasive imo. Taylor seems quiet.. I thought Hardy spoke of him and Brice pretty positively just indicated they were working but not ready. When guys don't know what to do and are as spastic as Taylor is at times it has to be tough to deal with as a coach. Its this mystery box that control freaks probably don't love.
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I never thought he would overtake KO, but he didn't need to for a rotation spot. Same could be said for Simone tbh....but you bring up a good point about what we thought about Simone. It was said that Simone was only getting minutes out of charity and because Hardy has a good heart. If that's what we actually thought about Simone, why would it not cause alarms if TH was stashed behind him? I think that scenario shows the lengths that people went to defend TH's honor. Like the expectations got so low that it was completely normal for him to be behind Simone (who we thought was getting cut) and Luka.

There were also several iterations of the rotation. Took a long time for Hardy to land on something that worked and the injuries also opened up different rotations. The rotation was very fluid and different guys were in and out of the rotation. Positions were flexible enough that pretty much anyone could fit into an open spot. To me, it raised an eyebrow that TH was not even in those considerations....whether it being TH actually being terrible or Hardy simply not believing in him. I still think it was super reasonable to expect him to be in the mix and I didn't expect him to be this raw....or I didn't expect his lack of feel to be so apparent and impactful. But that's what comes with expectations, the possibility of not meeting them. Maybe some people were quick to call him bust...idk. I also think people were bending over backwards to lower their supposed expectations of him. What I know for sure is that me having some expectations of him being an NBA caliber player caught me some heat. Even now, I would say he's probably worse that I expected, but that's because my expectations weren't piss low.

About the negative stuff....I think everyone likes him as a person, that's not what I was talking about. It does not seem like they think much of his game atm. I mean, we had that whole conversation about the locker room and what they thought about him. TH is a guy who we applaud when he's able to string a few dribbles together...probably not a player that stands out in camp amongst players.
 
KqWIN said:
I never thought he would overtake KO, but he didn't need to for a rotation spot. Same could be said for Simone tbh....but you bring up a good point about what we thought about Simone. It was said that Simone was only getting minutes out of charity and because Hardy has a good heart. If that's what we actually thought about Simone, why would it not cause alarms if TH was stashed behind him? I think that scenario shows the lengths that people went to defend TH's honor. Like the expectations got so low that it was completely normal for him to be behind Simone (who we thought was getting cut) and Luka.

There were also several iterations of the rotation. Took a long time for Hardy to land on something that worked and the injuries also opened up different rotations. The rotation was very fluid and different guys were in and out of the rotation. Positions were flexible enough that pretty much anyone could fit into an open spot. To me, it raised an eyebrow that TH was not even in those considerations....whether it being TH actually being terrible or Hardy simply not believing in him. I still think it was super reasonable to expect him to be in the mix and I didn't expect him to be this raw....or I didn't expect his lack of feel to be so apparent and impactful. But that's what comes with expectations, the possibility of not meeting them. Maybe some people were quick to call him bust...idk. I also think people were bending over backwards to lower their supposed expectations of him. What I know for sure is that me having some expectations of him being an NBA caliber player caught me some heat. Even now, I would say he's probably worse that I expected, but that's because my expectations weren't piss low.

About the negative stuff....I think everyone likes him as a person, that's not what I was talking about. It does not seem like they think much of his game atm. I mean, we had that whole conversation about the locker room and what they thought about him. TH is a guy who we applaud when he's able to string a few dribbles together...probably not a player that stands out in camp amongst players.
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I've definitely seen guys look him off... specifically Clarkson so I'm sure the trust is not there. I think that's true. I think Rudy got an extra level of distrust and hate just being a confident French kid. He still gets so much more hate than he should.

I'm a chucker so I freaking love playing with guys that will defend and stay in the corner. Give me 3 or 4 of those guys lol. I think Jazz players will come around if he keeps playing like he did yesterday.
 
Apologies if this has been discussed before:

Wasn't Hendricks one of the guys we were unable to work out in person before the draft? If that's the case, do you think the Jazz evaluation on him would have differed going into the draft if they had gotten a more up-close look?
 
idiot said:
Apologies if this has been discussed before:

Wasn't Hendricks one of the guys we were unable to work out in person before the draft? If that's the case, do you think the Jazz evaluation on him would have differed going into the draft if they had gotten a more up-close look?
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I think he had to shut things down early because of an injury. I am sure they got enough looks at him though. Obviously they preferred the 8 guys that went ahead of him though because JZ decided to tell people what the draft board looked like for no reason lol.
 
idiot said:
Apologies if this has been discussed before:

Wasn't Hendricks one of the guys we were unable to work out in person before the draft? If that's the case, do you think the Jazz evaluation on him would have differed going into the draft if they had gotten a more up-close look?
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This is a good question...I know that one of the things they do with on court work is see how quickly they can pick up new things. I'm gonna be honest, don't think that's TH's area to shine but he probably does look running and dunking on an empty court. Could have gone either way. I still think it was pretty wild how one of the first things Zanik said about him is that he was their last choice to fall to #9 lol.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he had to shut things down early because of an injury. I am sure they got enough looks at him though. Obviously they preferred the 8 guys that went ahead of him though because JZ decided to tell people what the draft board looked like for no reason lol.
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Yeah, I know they felt comfortable enough to go with him at that point (though Keyonte apparently almost overtook him), but I'm wondering if just putting him in a gym and asking him to do some things would have heightened the sense that he is a project. Maybe they already fully knew and were fully onboard with the implications, but maybe they would have seen a few things that only became apparent later?
 
KqWIN said:
This is a good question...I know that one of the things they do with on court work is see how quickly they can pick up new things. I'm gonna be honest, don't think that's TH's area to shine but he probably does look running and dunking on an empty court. Could have gone either way. I still think it was pretty wild how one of the first things Zanik said about him is that he was their last choice to fall to #9 lol.
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Yeah, it was the picking up of new things, the grasp of what the game is about, the understanding of/skill at certain techniques, and just generally the ability to run a few tests (maybe the proprioception test would have been worth having him do, haha ...) that we missed out in in the evaluation.
 
idiot said:
Yeah, I know they felt comfortable enough to go with him at that point (though Keyonte apparently almost overtook him), but I'm wondering if just putting him in a gym and asking him to do some things would have heightened the sense that he is a project. Maybe they already fully knew and were fully onboard with the implications, but maybe they would have seen a few things that only became apparent later?
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Maybe. I personally wouldn't put tons of stock into workouts unless they were truly trash or just so spectacular they can't be ignored. If a guy had a hard time picking up something in a workout I would also consider this might be his 5-6 workout in 10 days with heavy travel etc. I am not sure the pick would change.
 
KqWIN said:
This is a good question...I know that one of the things they do with on court work is see how quickly they can pick up new things. I'm gonna be honest, don't think that's TH's area to shine but he probably does look running and dunking on an empty court. Could have gone either way. I still think it was pretty wild how one of the first things Zanik said about him is that he was their last choice to fall to #9 lol.
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That was one of the weirder things I've ever heard. Someone tell JZ you gotta just lie... lie so much and talk in platitudes.
 
idiot said:
Yeah, it was the picking up of new things, the grasp of what the game is about, the understanding of/skill at certain techniques, and just generally the ability to run a few tests (maybe the proprioception test would have been worth having him do, haha ...) that we missed out in in the evaluation.
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I might be talking out of my *** here, but I think that he was able to workout with some teams above us in the draft. At one point he had a ton of draft buzz and it looked like he might be an option as high as #5 to Detroit. I wonder if those workouts made those teams pass on him. It’s pure speculation on my part though. I always wondered if Exum fell to #5 because all of the teams he worked out with realized he was much further away than they initially thought.
 
KqWIN said:
I might be talking out of my *** here, but I think that he was able to workout with some teams above us in the draft. At one point he had a ton of draft buzz and it looked like he might be an option as high as #5 to Detroit. I wonder if those workouts made those teams pass on him. It’s pure speculation on my part though. I always wondered if Exum fell to #5 because all of the teams he worked out with realized he was much further away than they initially thought.
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Maybe. However, that's not quite my view. I can't be sure my memory is correct. But for Exum, it was only a a fall of 1, I think. I don't think there was any way he was going above Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid (though there were questions about the latter's health). I do think Gordon slid above him at the end, so if there was something from the workouts, it was probably just with Orlando. For TH, I don't really remember him being above about 7 in most mocks and I don't think anyone really thought there was much of a slide when he went #9.
 
idiot said:
Maybe. However, that's not quite my view. I can't be sure my memory is correct. But for Exum, it was only a a fall of 1, I think. I don't think there was any way he was going above Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid (though there were questions about the latter's health). I do think Gordon slid above him at the end, so if there was something from the workouts, it was probably just with Orlando. For TH, I don't really remember him being above about 7 in most mocks and I don't think anyone really thought there was much of a slide when he went #9.
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There was buzz about him going to Detroit at 5 and at one point he was the overwhelming favorite to go 7 to Indiana.
 
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