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Some new game footage of Enes Kanter is circulating from his prep school days. I'm watching one game now. It's fairly underwhelming stuff.

I don't know if he's just tired here or what but he looks really lethargic playing vs very weak competition. Getting destroyed on defense.

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Your missing my point Williams isn't a wing therefor he won't start. Williams is another backup on this team.
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Williams wants to play the 3, he shot over 55% from three in college. I think he will play 3/4 depending upon which team he ends up.
 
sojodave said:
Williams wants to play the 3, he shot over 55% from three in college. I think he will play 3/4 depending upon which team he ends up.
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I don't think he can play 3, at least not full time. People keep comparing him to Pierce, but Pierce has a calm/cool handle. Like he is always in control. Williams looks kind of spastic when he dribbles.
 
vslice02 said:
This is what alot of Jazz fans are missing when they compare Millsap and Williams. Derrick Williams is not this undersized PF who mirrors everything Millsap does. Not only is he younger, more explosive and a better finisher around the rim, but he has a bigger wingspan and standing reach than Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Tyler Hansbrough, Al Horford, Udonis Haslem, Drew Gooden, Troy Murphy David Lee, and Josh Smith.
So let's say his transition to SF takes longer than expected or he just doesn't make it as an NBA-SF - fine, he still has the potential to be an above-average NBA PF and that makes him a pretty safe pick IMO.
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I love how Locke got everyone to sour on Williams - just because he loves to think outside the box and show that he has some depth to his analysis besides all his elaborate spreadsheets. If Kanter is taken 2nd by the Wolves, then Stern should return to the pulpit in no less than 12 seconds to announce that the Jazz have drafted Derrick Williams from the University of Arizona. I think he would kill it at the 4, and still be great at the 3. We could use him however Ty sees fit to create mismatches. If all else fails, I can guarantee you we could get a decent haul for the guy.
 
sojodave said:
Williams wants to play the 3, he shot over 55% from three in college. I think he will play 3/4 depending upon which team he ends up.
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This guy is just a basketball player. Given the choice of 15 min a 3 or 30 min at 4, he'll play 4. He played PF in college. I think all this stuff about him playing SF is just people in his camp telling him that it will alleviate the issues of his stock dropping because he's an "undersized 4" (which as I mentioned a couple posts ago isn't entirely true).
 
sojodave said:
Williams wants to play the 3, he shot over 55% from three in college. I think he will play 3/4 depending upon which team he ends up.
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I'm convinced that the only reason he has been emphatic about playing the 3 is that he does not want to be labeled as a tweener. I'm sure his agent told him to tell everyone that he wants to play the 3, because most people would prefer a bigger 3, to an undersize 4. Personally I think he's a 4. The guy is Blake Griffin lite with an outside shot. It's blowing my mind that people are talking about passing on him if he falls to us. If he does, then I trade Millsap in a heartbeat.
 
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I am not against getting Williams. I have my doubts he can play the three now but he made himself a great 3 pt shooter so if he loses some weight and works on his handle then why not? Even if he is a four I am ok with it because a rotation of Favors, V, and Williams is a great young rotation. I still prefer Kanter but I would be just as excited about Williams even more so if he can also play the 3.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Some new game footage of Enes Kanter is circulating from his prep school days. I'm watching one game now. It's fairly underwhelming stuff.

I don't know if he's just tired here or what but he looks really lethargic playing vs very weak competition. Getting destroyed on defense.

From DX Twitter feeed
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I could've guessed who said that if I didn't already know. Givony has his mind made up (which still causes me concern since I GENERALLY am a disciple of his site).
 
margodydek said:
I love how Locke got everyone to sour on Williams - just because he loves to think outside the box and show that he has some depth to his analysis besides all his elaborate spreadsheets. If Kanter is taken 2nd by the Wolves, then Stern should return to the pulpit in no less than 12 seconds to announce that the Jazz have drafted Derrick Williams from the University of Arizona. I think he would kill it at the 4, and still be great at the 3. We could use him however Ty sees fit to create mismatches. If all else fails, I can guarantee you we could get a decent haul for the guy.
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I've said earlier on that he could be a mismatch-driven forward-version of Kevin Martin. I think that is closer to his basement than his ceiling (especially since that doesn't take into consideration his ability to physically impose his will at times [boards, loose balls, transition, finish through contact, make spectacular defensive plays, get really stoked]), and that is pretty rad.
 
It doesn't really matter if Williams falls to 3. KOC's job isn't to figure out who he's going to take at 3. It's to figure out who he wants and manipulate the draft to get that player with the best value. So if his board says JV is the best guy, he tries to figure out who he can safely trade with and what they'll offer to switch. Worst case, he drafts JV at 3.

The mistaken assumption is that Williams is absolutely BPA at 3. He may or may not be.
 
billyshelby said:
It doesn't really matter if Williams falls to 3. KOC's job isn't to figure out who he's going to take at 3. It's to figure out who he wants and manipulate the draft to get that player with the best value. So if his board says JV is the best guy, he tries to figure out who he can safely trade with and what they'll offer to switch. Worst case, he drafts JV at 3.

The mistaken assumption is that Williams is absolutely BPA at 3. He may or may not be.
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It's been pretty unanimously reported that teams consider Williams and Irving a tier above everybody else.
 
billyshelby said:
Yes, that's the consensus. That doesn't mean KOC thinks that, or even should think it. I'm sure he's not concerned with media reports about what other teams are thinking.
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Yeah, but the point is that other teams are going to be willing to trade up to get Williams.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Yeah, but the point is that other teams are going to be willing to trade up to get Williams.
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Of course. But KOC's moves are pretty limited in the first place. If Kanter/Williams are not the guys KOC wants, he still can't move down very far to get the guy he does want. Which leaves Cleveland, Toronto, Washington, and the Kings as his only real trade partners.

The wild card is a player trade for the pick, but I still can't see Williams' availability being that much more attractive than Kanter to facilitate it.
 
I really want Knight... the idea of having a solid, home-grown "floor general" again is just a comforting feeling
 
I know some people hate hypotheticals, but I think we're all looking for something to occupy ourselves with until 6/23. Anyways, just wanted to see how people think the draft would have panned out if Sullinger/Jones/Barnes had declared.
 
margodydek said:
I know some people hate hypotheticals, but I think we're all looking for something to occupy ourselves with until 6/23. Anyways, just wanted to see how people think the draft would have panned out if Sullinger/Jones/Barnes had declared.
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Sullinger would be compared with Kanter a bazillion times and would be a top 6 pick. Jones would dominate workouts with his potential and skill-set and most likely be a top 6 pick as well. Barnes would be a top-5 pick if he could show that he has a decent handle of the ball. Basically it would be easier for us to trade down into a slightly lower spot and still get a top talent. Since they didn't declare, we got lucky with our 3rd pick. Barnes would most likely be the choice that everybody leans to, and Knight would slip a little on draft boards.
 
margodydek said:
I know some people hate hypotheticals, but I think we're all looking for something to occupy ourselves with until 6/23. Anyways, just wanted to see how people think the draft would have panned out if Sullinger/Jones/Barnes had declared.
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Still think Irving and Williams go 1 and 2. But a real donneybrook at 3.
 
Sullinger wouldn't be the favorite #1 going from Ohio State to Cleveland?

I thought he was rated the #1 prospect by Ford before he decided to go back to school, don't you remember it was back when Kemba was ranked #15.
 
I think it would end up being:

1. Barnes CLE - They'd hype him up to be the next "Chosen One"
2. Jones MIN - According to people, they are basically stacked at every position but SG (yet they only won 17 games last year, hmmmm), so I think they'd go for most talent/upside
3. Irving UTA - We get the next great PG (supposedly)
4. Sullinger CLE - They get their hometown boy, which didn't work out so great last time
5. Williams TOR - BPA
6. Kanter - WAS - Both sides would like this as Kanter gets to play with Wall, and Washington can now hire the mob to take care of Blatche
7. Knight - SAC - Team up the Calipari boys in the backcourt

Doing this realizes how pissed I am that these 3 stayed in school. Looks like everyone is better off (obviously), but most teams not only get the BPA, but also fill a need.
 
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