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2022 NBA Draft Thread: We Going to Have a Pick! (lmao jk)

NUMBERICA said:
Calm down. You also didn't dispute that Rose was a weak MVP, which in other words means he probably should not have won the award were it not for the unique circumstances he won it in. How that translates to you as saying Ivey is a lock to win the MVP I could only guess.

If you think I am literally saying that Derrick Rose and Jaden Ivey are the same person then I do not think I am qualified to help you.
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Well, you literally said “I don’t know how he isn’t Derrick Rose”. You wondered why I thought that was so heinous, and I told you why. It’s incredibly unlikely anyone reaches those levels and the logic used to justify that statement is weak.

If he didn’t win the MVP, it wouldn’t change my opinion at all. The reason why I bring it up is because it asserts how good he was. He maybe didn’t deserve that, but he did that at 22 in his third year. If he didn’t get injured, he would have been an elite player for the better part of a decade at least if he didn’t get injured. He also would have likely improved to heights he never was able to reach.

I don’t like D-Rose. Especially for his off the court stuff. But give that man his due. He was one of the best players in the league at 22 and only scratching the surface as a player. No one should start with Rose as the baseline.
 
Elizah Huge said:
So you are essentially saying Ivey is a lock to make multiple all-star teams and average 25 PPG since you compared him to Donovan.
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No... I am saying the upper end of his ceiling looks more like those types of players. Rose is a tricky one. He was basically pg version of Lebron before the injuries.

I think Ivey can be very good and I see why someone would say Rose/Morant because when they get downhill they are amazing. I think Ivey has some of that... but its why I don't love straight player to player comps because they are all different enough that its easy to poke holes.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Alright, well let me amend my statement since it's so important:

If Ivey is in the mold of *insert high-level extremely athletic scoring lead guard that may be an MVP candidate in a very specific set of circumstances or probably never is* then maybe the Jazz would be set.
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The point still stands... if Ivey becomes toward the higher end of his median outcome we'd be good.
 
KqWIN said:
Well, you literally said “I don’t know how he isn’t Derrick Rose”. You wondered why I thought that was so heinous, and I told you why. It’s incredibly unlikely anyone reaches those levels and the logic used to justify that statement is weak.

If he didn’t win the MVP, it wouldn’t change my opinion at all. The reason why I bring it up is because it asserts how good he was. He maybe didn’t deserve that, but he did that at 22 in his third year. If he didn’t get injured, he would have been an elite player for the better part of a decade at least if he didn’t get injured. He also would have likely improved to heights he never was able to reach.

I don’t like D-Rose. Especially for his off the court stuff. But give that man his due. He was one of the best players in the league at 22 and only scratching the surface as a player. No one should start with Rose as the baseline.
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Baseline? Just threw a name out there that others that know a lot more than me throw out there. c h i l l
 
NUMBERICA said:
Baseline? Just threw a name out there that others that know a lot more than me throw out there. c h i l l
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That is precisely what “I don’t know how he’s not xxxx” means. Unless I’m mistaken? Does that somehow translate to his maximum potential?

If I’m a crazy person for pointing out a ridiculous statement so be it.
 
KqWIN said:
That is precisely what “I don’t know how he’s not xxxx” means. Unless I’m mistaken? Does that somehow translate to his maximum potential?

If I’m a crazy person for pointing out a ridiculous statement so be it.
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You're a crazy person for reacting like I ****ed your mom. But yeah, my bad for being loose with language on a message board literally talking about a game.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You're a crazy person for reacting like I ****ed your mom. But yeah, my bad for being loose with language on a message board literally talking about a game.
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My bad for responding to a question about basketball on basketball forum. I won’t respond if you are too sensitive to receive the answer to your question.
 
So Sharpe seems to be falling. Listened to Down to Dunk - Okc podcast that is pretty fun. Supposedly he hasn't been doing well in workouts and interviews. He worked out for Charlotte. I think he falls to #11 or #12 unless OKC trades up to get him.
 
Ironically, as a prospect Ivey compares more favorably to RWB. Stylistically he is more similar, although it is still crazy to expect that type of development out of anyone. Exceptions are exceptions for a reason.

I honestly think the Morant comparison comes from the same hair….Rose, I think people just forgot who he was.
 
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