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2025 Off-Season Trade Ideas Thread

KqWIN said:
No smoke around it, but I think a Key trade makes a lot of sense for a lot of teams. Could make a lot of sense for the Jazz as well after the draft.
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For who... the Jazz?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
For who... the Jazz?
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Just any team that's look for a cheap performer. I don't think teams will view Key as a starter, but I think he's done enough to be seen as a rotation player and he's a cheap one/easy to match salaries with his rookie deal. He is at $4.5M and $6.5M the next two years, which is very doable. In other thread we were talking about Sexton to MIN....It's hard to do because of salaries. But Key would work there and give MIN what they were hoping for with Rob.

Brice could be seen the same way. Hard to get that level of shooter on this cheap of a contract.
 
Keyonte and Brice are unplayable in the postseason currently, they are quite arguably the worst defenders in the entire league and lack the volume and efficiency on offense to make up for that.

You don't see Bones Hyland in the postseason.
 
KqWIN said:
Just any team that's look for a cheap performer. I don't think teams will view Key as a starter, but I think he's done enough to be seen as a rotation player and he's a cheap one/easy to match salaries with his rookie deal. He is at $4.5M and $6.5M the next two years, which is very doable. In other thread we were talking about Sexton to MIN....It's hard to do because of salaries. But Key would work there and give MIN what they were hoping for with Rob.

Brice could be seen the same way. Hard to get that level of shooter on this cheap of a contract.
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yeah I guess I could see a team seeing them as good regular season innings eaters with some upside. Depends on what we end up doing. Key might be good as a sweetener in a bigger deal to close the Ainge gap maybe.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
yeah I guess I could see a team seeing them as good regular season innings eaters with some upside. Depends on what we end up doing. Key might be good as a sweetener in a bigger deal to close the Ainge gap maybe.
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It’s sort of a more mild version of the decision to trade Kessler last summer. We’re probably going tank and I think Key is probably going to play at a level that is beyond replacement level. How Key is seen as prospect is one thing, but there’s definitely going to be teams that value his current value on his current money more than the Jazz do. So there’s some potential for trade there.

Even if you just see Key at a RS innings eater level, that much more valuable to a team trying to win something than a team trying to lose as much as possible.
 
KqWIN said:
It’s sort of a more mild version of the decision to trade Kessler last summer. We’re probably going tank and I think Key is probably going to play at a level that is beyond replacement level. How Key is seen as prospect is one thing, but there’s definitely going to be teams that value his current value on his current money more than the Jazz do. So there’s some potential for trade there.

Even if you just see Key at a RS innings eater level, that much more valuable to a team trying to win something than a team trying to lose as much as possible.
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I just don't know what the value would be I guess. Like say we did want another pick this draft... is it Key for 17? Too rich... too light?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just don't know what the value would be I guess. Like say we did want another pick this draft... is it Key for 17? Too rich... too light?
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I'm not sure, kind of rare for a player to be traded in Key's situation. I think that seems about right though. Key would probably be above the median expectation for a 17th pick and I think him being two years into development is plus for them. But who knows, I just think it's a situation where he's worth more to them than he's worth to us.

I like the Key/Black swap more tbh. Two players in a similar situation who both got recently downgraded and would fit on the other franchise better.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm not sure, kind of rare for a player to be traded in Key's situation. I think that seems about right though. Key would probably be above the median expectation for a 17th pick and I think him being two years into development is plus for them. But who knows, I just think it's a situation where he's worth more to them than he's worth to us.

I like the Key/Black swap more tbh. Two players in a similar situation who both got recently downgraded and would fit on the other franchise better.
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We can only do that if we fire Boler. Black played football in HS.
 
Orlando trading 25 for Keyonte or Minnesota trading 31 for Keyonte is probably his ceiling value wise.

Getting benched as a second year player on a 17 win team is pretty brutal for perception.
 
For the record I want to keep Keyonte for at least another half season. The list of players that can play with his usg% and ast% is not very high and include some of the best guards in the game. If he can get his TS% to what he's accomplished at times, but not consistently then he can be a very special offensive player. I would like to see if he can make that 3rd year jump in to better efficiency. Even if you aren't on board with keeping him long term because of defensive concerns then he would at least be a much more attractive trade piece at that point.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
For the record I want to keep Keyonte for at least another half season. The list of players that can play with his usg% and ast% is not very high and include some of the best guards in the game. If he can get his TS% to what he's accomplished at times, but not consistently then he can be a very special offensive player. I would like to see if he can make that 3rd year jump in to better efficiency. Even if you aren't on board with keeping him long term because of defensive concerns then he would at least be a much more attractive trade piece at that point.
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100% this.

I've come down off of my Keyonte high, but I think it's pretty nuts to trade him right now. There've been too many positive signs ahead of a possible 3rd-year jump.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
For the record I want to keep Keyonte for at least another half season. The list of players that can play with his usg% and ast% is not very high and include some of the best guards in the game. If he can get his TS% to what he's accomplished at times, but not consistently then he can be a very special offensive player. I would like to see if he can make that 3rd year jump in to better efficiency. Even if you aren't on board with keeping him long term because of defensive concerns then he would at least be a much more attractive trade piece at that point.
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I wouldn't be looking to trade him, but similar to Walker last year I'd poke around to see if someone values him both for his potential as a prospect and for his current ability.

I also wonder what would happen if there's overlap with our pick. I'm big on the fact that we shouldn't let guys like Key or Collier affect our draft decision, but that's because I would put the #5 pick in much higher priority.
 
Silver-lining take:
Keyonte's overall game has been improved by so many reps as the lead guard—but now that he and the FO know that he's sliding back to his more natural role as a scorer and secondary facilitator, he's currently preparing for what will be his best season.
 
I can understand the optimism about Key’s future and the pessimism. But however you feel about, that should be reflected in his trade value no? It’s not really clear to me that the Jazz would be higher on Key as a prospect than other teams at this point.

The outlook on Keyonte is kind of a wash for what I’m saying. If you think he’s good, than there could be a team that also thinks the same an offers the right value. If you think he’s bad, than why should we hold onto him so tightly? I’m obviously not saying a trade would happen if the Jazz are still higher on him than the rest of the league.

The possibility of trading him is related to his current level and his contract. He’s an above replacement level player on a cheap deal. That could mean something to another team, but it doesn’t mean anything to the Jazz. So if there is a team who feels exactly the same as the Jazz do about Key and they find that contract useful a trade could happen.
 
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NAOS_pt2 said:
Silver-lining take:
Keyonte's overall game has been improved by so many reps as the lead guard—but now that he and the FO know that he's sliding back to his more natural role as a scorer and secondary facilitator, he's currently preparing for what will be his best season.
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I still have a lot of faith in Keyonte being a really good player and wouldn't want to trade him but I agree that the FO should be fielding offers and if the offer is good enough then I'm ok with trading him.
 
We are NOT in the business of throwing away young guys who have shown upside beyond their current production. Key is definitely one of those guys.

Besides the only teams looking to make an offer for him would be teams who believe he has levels to reach. But that is the exact scenario where we should not trade him. NO ONE would buy Key because they think he would somehow contributing to winning as is. Its a paradox where we expect the buyer to overpay for the same stuff we overvalue... so if we ever were willing to make such a deal then that would signal any buyer we know something they dont.
 
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