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LoPo said:
Of course.

I'm not saying that we add Turner and Warren and stop all other squad building. I'm not really a big fan of this deal.

I'm just really tired of people bashing on this team without Rudy. We take step back without him but people act like we are a high lottery team. I just don't see that.

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It's not up to us really...

We are now very close to the point of having to choose between Rudy and DM. Either overpay to keep Rudy then have DM demand a trade in a couple of seasons. Or trade Rudy now for pieces that allow us to rework a new timeline around DM to compete for the next 7 or 8 years. We could've had both but after the Conley trade we are down to a point of no return. We no longer have any pieces to trade or compete. We gave away 5 picks for underwhelming PG rentals who we would just let go for nothing. We then sold our rotation players hood/AB/Crowder low and cheapily gave away 4 picks in JC and Korver deal, only to have both of them walk after playing just half of a season.

Now we are basically looking at an aging squad+a bench filled with scrubs+no more first or second round pick to add any more quality players. So trading Rudy might be the only realistic way for us to get out of this rabbit hole.
 
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Not a big fan of the trade. Not sure why people are trying to trade away Gobert. I guess if he wants a Max but even then are you going to get back higher or equal value. This trade is a small step back and the Jazz need to move forward. Again, Boston gives up nothing considering Hayward is a bench player in Boston and is not as good as he use to be due the injury. Besides Boston has a ton of picks so they should allow us to keep ours and give two to Indy.
 
jom2003 said:
It's not up to us really...

We are now very close to the point of having to choose between Rudy and DM. Either overpay to keep Rudy then have DM demand a trade in a couple of seasons. Or trade Rudy now for pieces that allow us to rework a new timeline around DM to compete for the next 7 or 8 years. We could've had both but after the Conley trade we are down to a point of no return. We no longer have any pieces to trade or compete. We gave away 5 picks for underwhelming PG rentals who we would just let go for nothing. We then sold our rotation players hood/AB/Crowder low and cheapily gave away 4 picks in JC and Korver deal, only to have both of them walk after playing just half of a season.

Now we are basically looking at an aging squad+a bench filled with scrubs+no more first or second round pick to add any more quality players. So trading Rudy might be the only realistic way for us to get out of this rabbit hole.
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Exactly. We blew our shot. Conley was an awful call..

We now have some major issues in a horrific financial environment for the NBA. There is no reason to give near supermax to a limited center who is about to be 29.

Build around Donovan. Don't get suckered into overpaying Rudy.

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With where the jazz are financially and with how close we are to possible contention while already having all of our eggs in the basket if gobert doesn’t sign for anything 30 or less giving the jazz options to build around the edges with I think it’s a no brained to reset slightly around Mitchell and trade him. I adjusted the three way trade shown above.

Jazz give: Gobert, Ingles, #23 pick
Jazz receive: Brown, Turner

Pacers give: Turner, Lamb, McDermott
Pacers receive: Hayward, Ingles, #14, #23

Celtics give: Brown, Hayward, #14
Celtics receive: Gobert, Lamb, McDermott

Pacers get two good wings to play with Warren while clearing space at the 5 plus a couple picks. The Celtics get Gobert for Brown with a couple good depth pieces for Hayward. Jazz get two young up and coming stars to play with Mitchell.



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LoPo said:
Exactly. We blew our shot. Conley was an awful call..

We now have some major issues in a horrific financial environment for the NBA. There is no reason to give near supermax to a limited center who is about to be 29.

Build around Donovan. Don't get suckered into overpaying Rudy.

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it's not even about whether Rudy is worthy of supermax or not(he isn't. nobody really is. supermax is a horrendous idea that have killed many teams title hopes), but about the current pieces that we have surrounding DM and rudy...... they simply aren't good enough. and we ran out of assets/resources to improve the supporting cast without trading the franchise cornerstone that we are supposed to build around. sad story
 
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jom2003 said:
it's not even about whether Rudy is worthy of supermax or not(he isn't. nobody really is. supermax is a horrendous ideas that have killed many teams title hopes), but about the current pieces that we have surrounding DM and rudy...... they simply aren't good enough. and we ran out of assets/resources to improve the supporting cast without trading the franchise cornerstone that we are supposed to build around. sad story
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That’s why I think the jazz should move Gobert Ingles Mike and bogey in an attempt to build good young athletic pieces to complement what may be the only superstar the jazz have had in a long time.


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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
That’s why I think the jazz should move Gobert Ingles Mike and bogey in an attempt to build good young athletic pieces to complement what may be the only superstar the jazz have had in a long time.


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This current team will not win and I hate to say it but aside from Mitchell was relatively boring to watch in comparison with other jazz teams we have had.


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Xthren said:
I think this is a good trade for all teams involved.
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Oh my. Doubling down uh?

It's not a good trade for us, plain and simple. Somehow, you are trading away a (2x) DPOY, All NBA center in his prime for two vastly inferior players and losing a pick in the process?. On the other hand, the Celtics end up with the best player while losing nothing of value (an overpaid player, soon to become FA and mediocre picks). Sorry, it makes no sense. If available, there will be better trades for Rudy than this one.
 
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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
This current team will not win and I hate to say it but aside from Mitchell was relatively boring to watch in comparison with other jazz teams we have had.


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If that's the case, you are basically proposing to blow it up. The thing is, you won't be able to build a championship contender team around DM in 2-3 years. At that point, DM is gone if you are not contending. I think you can make an argument that moving someone like Bogie or Conley (if he stays on a friendly deal) makes sense down the line. Rudy is still young enough. Joe won't have much value. Bogie will be the best trade asset.
 
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homeytennis said:
Remember we don't have our first round draft pick next year.
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It's protected 15-30, so we´ll probably keep it. We are giving 2022 away.

You should tell Lord Creepy, who has created a 12-page thread about the 2022 draft. Of course, all replies by himself.
 
Next season will be crucial. If we don't take the necessary step we might be watching a Billy King-brooklyn nets type of 2022 season in which the team struggles in the bottom while Memphis laughing away with our first round pick that’s going to end up in top 3. Just don't expect the then 35yr old Ingles and 33yr old Bojan who are currently our third and fourth best players on the team to help us much with that.
 
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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
That’s why I think the jazz should move Gobert Ingles Mike and bogey in an attempt to build good young athletic pieces to complement what may be the only superstar the jazz have had in a long time.


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I think we should trade Rudy and Mike. Joe, Bogey and Royce all fit with Don. Good teams need layers of wing depth.

Contenders don't have to have an overpaid, offensively limited rim protector or an overpaid, defensively limited PG. You turn Rudy and Mike into the best 5-10 year assets we can get.

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cowhide said:
Not a big fan of the trade. Not sure why people are trying to trade away Gobert. I guess if he wants a Max but even then are you going to get back higher or equal value. This trade is a small step back and the Jazz need to move forward. Again, Boston gives up nothing considering Hayward is a bench player in Boston and is not as good as he use to be due the injury. Besides Boston has a ton of picks so they should allow us to keep ours and give two to Indy.
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Trying to trade him because he stopped developing offensively and is turning into a Kirilinko head case who also wants a super max.
 
Guys don't stay forever... getting Rudy and DM is the hardest thing to do... you got the all stars. Now every damn move needs to be with those two in mind and maximizing what they can give us. If you have a slightly bad deal with Rudy to keep things together thats okay. Supermax aint it for him. Our best shot with DM is keeping Rudy and going for it the next 3-4 years. It has a small chance of yielding a title... unfortunately that is the breaks in the NBA you don't have great title odds unless you get Lebron.

If Rudy doesn't want to re-sign then we can move him... Until then I ain't gonna entertain these types of trades.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Guys don't stay forever... getting Rudy and DM is the hardest thing to do... you got the all stars. Now every damn move needs to be with those two in mind and maximizing what they can give us. If you have a slightly bad deal with Rudy to keep things together thats okay. Supermax aint it for him. Our best shot with DM is keeping Rudy and going for it the next 3-4 years. It has a small chance of yielding a title... unfortunately that is the breaks in the NBA you don't have great title odds unless you get Lebron.

If Rudy doesn't want to re-sign then we can move him... Until then I ain't gonna entertain these types of trades.
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I agree that getting guys of the caliber of Rudy and Donovan are the hardest thing to do. The problem is, Rudy and Donovan are not equipped to lead a team to a title. They don't exactly fit perfectly together unless the supporting cast is perfectly assembled around them. In many ways, they are like Billups and Wallace. They were also both 2nd level stars who had the perfect compliments with Tayshaun, Rip, Sheed and others. Well, our FO has screwed up in assembling the cast around them. Crowder was more important Conley. We let Crowder AND 2 1st rounders AND $25+million go so we can add a poorer fit in Conley.

Conley, Bogey, Joe and Royce are simply inadequate. We need so much more. So we either
A - find the absolute perfect guy with the MLE who fits our gap of athletic/shooting/defending SF/PF
or
B - trade Rudy while he still has such high value and shoot for a title run in a couple years

We aren't contenders. I don't believe that we are. We lost Hayward for nothing and came back stronger. We can lose Gobert for assets and do the same.
 
LoPo said:
I agree that getting guys of the caliber of Rudy and Donovan are the hardest thing to do. The problem is, Rudy and Donovan are not equipped to lead a team to a title. They don't exactly fit perfectly together unless the supporting cast is perfectly assembled around them. In many ways, they are like Billups and Wallace. They were also both 2nd level stars who had the perfect compliments with Tayshaun, Rip, Sheed and others. Well, our FO has screwed up in assembling the cast around them. Crowder was more important Conley. We let Crowder AND 2 1st rounders AND $25+million go so we can add a poorer fit in Conley.

Conley, Bogey, Joe and Royce are simply inadequate. We need so much more. So we either
A - find the absolute perfect guy with the MLE who fits our gap of athletic/shooting/defending SF/PF
or
B - trade Rudy while he still has such high value and shoot for a title run in a couple years

We aren't contenders. I don't believe that we are. We lost Hayward for nothing and came back stronger. We can lose Gobert for assets and do the same.
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Rudy and DM fit quite well. We have some good pieces around them. We have not tried everything we can to make them the most effective players they can be.

I also think with the attack on the big man that his trade value will net you pieces of Meh and not anything that really changes the trajectory long term unless you hit big on a pick.

We can still move Conley and there are other moves that can improve the depth pieces. If DM takes a major leap in development we can get in the title convo. If that happened and you moved Rudy to take a step back and build for the future then we could miss on the title window for a grab bag of potential.

If Boston wants to send Jaylen Brown we can talk... they won't though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Rudy and DM fit quite well. We have some good pieces around them. We have not tried everything we can to make them the most effective players they can be.

I also think with the attack on the big man that his trade value will net you pieces of Meh and not anything that really changes the trajectory long term unless you hit big on a pick.

We can still move Conley and there are other moves that can improve the depth pieces. If DM takes a major leap in development we can get in the title convo. If that happened and you moved Rudy to take a step back and build for the future then we could miss on the title window for a grab bag of potential.

If Boston wants to send Jaylen Brown we can talk... they won't though.
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I don't like this particular trade, but I do think trading Rudy is the way to go. I think Rudy is at his absolute best right now. He's at his peak. His value is at an all time high. At 30+, he's going to be sought out on the court even more by elite teams and athletes on those teams. And if he's making $30+, his limitations and drain on the cap will drive Donovan into insanity to the point where he might want out.

Sure, I'd love to trade Conley for better value, but that's going to be so difficult if the cap is flat.
 
Just read an article suggesting a trade with the pistons

Jazz get: Griffin and Rose
Pistons get: Conley #23 and 2021 2nd rnd pick

That trade may put us into contention if the jazz are really trying to go all in.

Rose
Mitchell
Bogdonavic
Griffin
Gobert

Clarkson
O’Neal
Ingles
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