5 year old kills 2 year old sister... with a birthday present.

[Nate505]

This was all in the wikipedia article I linked to earlier. You could at least read stuff after you ask for it. Befoe 1996, there were several mass shootings in a relative short period of time. After 1996, there have been none. Australian culture did not turn on a dime in 1996. Yes, the laws prohibited things. Yes, it worked.

No, it wasn't all in the article. There were a few mass shootings in that time, but that was not the question asked. There were multiple questions that I wondered aloud, none of which you answered, the major questions being how many criminals have guns in the country and how often are they to use them brazenly. In this country shootings are extremely common in the inner cities. How common are they in the inner cities of Australia. Heck, do the inner cities of Australia in general even compare to the cities here crime wise, before and after these bills were passed.

 

[Nate505]

If he doesn't need the gun, and he can be arrested just for having the gun and have his business impacted and his product lost, he'll leave the gun at home. Even "g-homie dog"s dealing crack are more interested in making money than making a statement.

Of course, perhaps you have some experience with parts of East St. Louis that I don't know about?

His business is something he can be arrested for in the first place, so the idea that he'll forgo another thing to get arrested for isn't all that logical, particularly when the other thing has a utility value that drug dealers tend to value (ie protection from other gangbangers, robbers, etc.).

 

[Nate505]

You guys are strange. You see the problem, agree that people in your country are getting killed by firearms way more then in other developed countries ( lets not talk about Honduras, Jamaica, Gwatemala or Swazilend), yet you do not want to change anything to improve it. All you do is crying about your constitutional rights to carry a gun.
Let me ask you this - how do you feel when you visit other countries where you can't have gun? Feel unsafe and scared? Looking over your shoulder all the time? I am very interested to know.

It depends. If I were visiting the Honduras' of the world hell yes. The Sweden's of the world? Probably not.

Now the US is a special case because we have metro areas like Chicago where you can experience the worst of Honduras and the best of Sweden all within 10 or so miles of each other. One of the worst areas I've ever seen in any city is a mile or so west of the lake near the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. You go 15 miles or so west from there and you're in Naperville, which as far as I know has very little crime and is one of the safer suburbs I've ever seen.

How many other countries can boast such a different dichotomy? Where you can be in a city that has nearly 20 murders per 100,000 people (and I'm guessing in the neighborhood I was talking about, that number is higher than say the neighborhood near Wrigley Field) and go 10-15 miles to another suburb that has never gone about 1.5 in the past 12 years?

 

[One Brow]

And an increase of the number of rapes, etc. A woman with a gun is the equal of any man. Without it a 95 pounds petite woman against a 200 lbs man has no real chance.

Most rapes happen in circumstances where women won't be armed, because she knows/trusts the rapist.

 

[One Brow]

No, it wasn't all in the article. There were a few mass shootings in that time, but that was not the question asked. There were multiple questions that I wondered aloud, none of which you answered, the major questions being how many criminals have guns in the country and how often are they to use them brazenly. In this country shootings are extremely common in the inner cities. How common are they in the inner cities of Australia. Heck, do the inner cities of Australia in general even compare to the cities here crime wise, before and after these bills were passed.

Are you asking me to do your research? If I answer those questions, will there be new ones?

 

[One Brow]

His business is something he can be arrested for in the first place, so the idea that he'll forgo another thing to get arrested for isn't all that logical, particularly when the other thing has a utility value that drug dealers tend to value (ie protection from other gangbangers, robbers, etc.).

It's a lot harder to hide a gun from observation than a few small bags.

Again, is any of this based on what you have seen?

 

[moevillini]

So, does anyone think the parents (in the original post, whose 5 year old son accidentally killed his sister) should still be allowed to purchase firearms without any additional restrictions?

I know I do. If I made the laws, they would probably be just the type of people I would like to see have to go through at least a few extra hoops before they are allowed to buy a gun.

 

[MVP]

And an increase of the number of rapes, etc. A woman with a gun is the equal of any man. Without it a 95 pounds petite woman against a 200 lbs man has no real chance.

She would do just fine with gas gun.

 

[Stoked]

It's a lot harder to hide a gun from observation than a few small bags.

Again, is any of this based on what you have seen?

It might be harder than hiding bags but that does not mean it is hard. A weapon can be very easily hidden on a person with nothing more than every day clothes. Hell there are even clips to attach a snub nose .38 to a woman's bra. You cannot even tell it is there.

 

[Stoked]

So, does anyone think the parents (in the original post, whose 5 year old son accidentally killed his sister) should still be allowed to purchase firearms without any additional restrictions?

I know I do. If I made the laws, they would probably be just the type of people I would like to see have to go through at least a few extra hoops before they are allowed to buy a gun.

I would be open to discussion about penalties for gun carelessness.

 

[MVP]

So, does anyone think the parents (in the original post, whose 5 year old son accidentally killed his sister) should still be allowed to purchase firearms without any additional restrictions?

I know I do. If I made the laws, they would probably be just the type of people I would like to see have to go through at least a few extra hoops before they are allowed to buy a gun.

I hope any gun related negligence would result in loss of privilege of having one. Or at least suspension for 3-5 years or so... If we can suspend right to drive the car after DUI or repeated driving offenses why not do the same with gun?

 

[Stoked]

I hope any gun related negligence would result in loss of privilege of having one. Or at least suspension for 3-5 years or so... If we can suspend right to drive the car after DUI or repeated driving offenses why not do the same with gun?

That depends on what happened, how it happened and what the intended consequence would be.