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Eenie-Meenie said:
This butthole is an advocate for GMOs -- so much for his scientific credentials. He's probably getting paid to spread this false narrative.
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Nothing wrong with GMO. Stop spreading misinformation. You've already done enough damage with your anti-vaxx talk.
 
Heathme said:
I don't ignore it. It is just the same thing every time.
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Heathme said:
Dr. Moore laid out the science about why there is room for skepticism.
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Well, I'll say this. I could have just let it go. But, I went and said "oh no, not Moore", and basically just offered a different point of view regarding the good doctor. But, I could have let it go, because we are not going to, and never were going to, solve the climate change debate in this thread.

You may not realize it, but I am not at all unsympathetic to what you were hoping to do with this thread. Just read what I said in comment #50. I recognize liberals and conservatives alike are fellow Americans, and this is a war we seem to be engaged in at this moment in our history. It actually has very deep roots, but that too is really beyond the scope of this thread.

I may be a sap, but I thought you had the right to hope it would be a thread by, and for, conservatives. Unfortunetly, that did not happen, it blew up in a hurry, and despite saying I would respect your wishes for your thread, you had to go promote the Heartland Institute. Lol. But it was your right, it was indeed. So, I went against my better nature, and did not let it go as just that one initial comment.

Further, I believe dissent and skepticism are not, nor should they ever be, regarded as interlopers within science. Dissent and skepticism are good for science. In comment #305, I specifically spelled out two periods in the history of science, during which the consensus was proven to be all wet. One instance from American archaeology and prehistory, and one instance from planatery geology.

I'm sure we could find other instances in the history of science, which, as Thomas Kuhn sagely observed, too often advances "one funeral at a time". Time and again within scientific disciplines, careers are sacrificed on the altar of consensus. And pioneers are often unrecognized in their own lifetimes, discarded by the twin weapons of conformity and received wisdom, the weapons wielded by consensus and dominant paradigms.

So, while I believe the consensus on human caused global warming is correct, and Dr. Moore is just another outlier, I would never say he must be silenced.

I just countered your portrait of Moore with a different slant. But I could have just let it go, and perhaps I should have. What we have in common as Americans has to be more important then our differences. Someday, I hope.
 
Stoked said:
Wait, he’s anti-vax? Hahahahahaha
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From what I read of the discussion he isn't exactly anti vax but he does have some questions and concerns in his mind about whether vaccinations are completely safe.

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Archie Moses said:
I recommend, if you haven't already, watching Joe Rogan's latest podcast with Jones. It's one of the more entertaining podcasts I've ever heard/seen. Watch that and tell me Jones hasn't, wasn't, isn't dealing with psychosis. He's literally the God damn definition of psychosis in every way possible.

I never thought I would have listened to a podcast with Jones because he's too much for me, but just trust me on this one. It's gold.
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Holy ****. I dont know if I can finish. Does Rogan let him go on for four hours?
 
Bulletproof said:
I like John Stossel a lot. It might blow several minds, but I was a libertarian warrior on jazzfanz for many many years. But no one (by no one I mean most of the liberal minded people here) ever took my disclaimers seriously. I said plainly that we DO NOT live in a libertarian nation. That you can NOT get to libertarianism from "here" (meaning within the constitutional framework of the United States). And most importantly, that libertarianism DOES NOT work piece meal. Meaning that you cannot pass this libertarian law and that libertarian law within a non-libertarian framework and expect libertarianism to work. I beat my head on that wall for many many years here. One Brow is one who I would assume might remember. Babe used to send me encouraging DMs telling me to keep up the fight. I think it was NAOS or idestroyedthetoilet who sent me a DM saying that eventually I'd grow up and out of my libertarian idealism.

Anyway, if I wanted to play libertarian advocate I would destroy any of this boards so-called neo-con libertarians with the actual consistency in my ideological premise on libertarianism, because I actually understand what libertarianism means, good and bad (there is plenty of both).

But I made a decision after my first perma-ban, I decided I didn't want to make philosophical/ideological arguments in debates that were fundamentally utilitarian. I was going to argue based on the world we live in and not based on the world I thought we "should" live in. I was going to advocate for making this non-libertarian nation as good as it could be.

Now, you want to talk to me about how things should work in the first colony of people on Mars, I'm going to make a VERY extreme argument for libertarianism. You want to talk to me about how food stamps should work, I'm not going to lean on libertarian principals AT ALL. It makes no sense in that context.
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If that was me whatever it was was definitely said lightheartedly. I remember complimenting you back then on having the most logically consistent philosophy of anyone on the board. I'd rather have something like that be what I'm remembered by.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Holy ****. I dont know if I can finish. Does Rogan let him go on for four hours?
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There's no better way to spend 4 hours than watching it all. Jones is straight up from another world. It's hilarious how many people get upset by what he says - he's koo koo.

Now time to take some DMT and talk to the machine elves and try and convince them not to take over the government interdimensionally.
 
Archie Moses said:
There's no better way to spend 4 hours than watching it all. Jones is straight up from another world. It's hilarious how many people get upset by what he says - he's koo koo.

Now time to take some DMT and talk to the machine elves and try and convince them not to take over the government interdimensionally.
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He almost made a damn good point about the media blowing up the Sandy Hook thing but he's so all over the place to focus on making one.

I listened to him a little back when he wasnt much and also find it funny people get so worked up over him. He'd be hardly known if liberals kept his name out their mouth. They created something and don't like it.
 
From a humble pov, I find issues like vaccinations and GMO’s being safe or not so hard to take sides with due to the dozens of articles from doctors and organizations defending both sides of the debate.
 
Jazzta said:
From a humble pov, I find issues like vaccinations and GMO’s being safe or not so hard to take sides with due to the dozens of articles from doctors and organizations defending both sides of the debate.
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No there is no such debate within the scientific community.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
He almost made a damn good point about the media blowing up the Sandy Hook thing but he's so all over the place to focus on making one.

I listened to him a little back when he wasnt much and also find it funny people get so worked up over him. He'd be hardly known if liberals kept his name out their mouth. They created something and don't like it.
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Millions of followers on social media. And I'm sure his horrific harassment campaign probably helped get him public notoriety. You're an incredibly ignorant person for how arrogant you act.
 
Jazzta said:
If you say so...
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Show me this supposed controversy. Within the fields in question (specially when it comes to vaccines), there is no debate about the safety of either vaccination or the consumption of GMOs. A reality TV personality writing an article does not equal an actual controversy.
 
Alfalfa said:
Show me this supposed controversy. Within the fields in question (specially when it comes to vaccines), there is no debate about the safety of either vaccination or the consumption of GMOs. A reality TV personality writing an article does not equal an actual controversy.
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I took the time to find one, with that said it took me longer than I thought. But what do you think, are these scientists this specific article mentions full of it? I would like to know why both sides are often so absolutist about this issue.

I find it funny how in this day an age anyone can google anything to try to validate their point, like I just did, having not read as much about the issue as it sounds like you have, and find something related.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2018/4/1/international2018

I will add it was one link in an ocean of pro-vaccination links...
 
Jazzta said:
I took the time to find one, with that said it took me longer than I thought. But what do you think, are these scientists this specific article mentions full of it? I would like to know why both sides are often so absolutist about this issue.

I find it funny how in this day an age anyone can google anything to try to validate their point, like I just did, having not read as much about the issue as it sounds like you have, and find something related.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2018/4/1/international2018

I will add it was one link in an ocean of pro-vaccination links...
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https://www.skepticalraptor.com/ske...ne-pseudoscience-bad-science-autism-aluminum/

. The reason why aluminum isn’t linked to neurological disease is that in huge epidemiological studies, no correlation was found between environmental aluminum and neurological diseases. None. The authors seem to ignore the wealth of evidence that dismisses their research. And I think there might be reasons for that.
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