We used to have a system where people claiming asylum were released with a subsequent court date, and over 96% of them showed up for their court date. That seemed to work pretty well.
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We used to have a system where people claiming asylum were released with a subsequent court date, and over 96% of them showed up for their court date. That seemed to work pretty well.
Zombie
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You conveniently cut your excerpt from that article short. The next bit reads-
But while the world-historical horrors of the Holocaust are unmatched, they are only the most extreme and inhuman manifestation of a concentration-camp system—which, according to Andrea Pitzer, author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, has a more global definition. There have been concentration camps in France, South Africa, Cuba, the Soviet Union, and—with Japanese internment—the United States. In fact, she contends we are operating such a system right now in response to a very real spike in arrivalsat our southern border.
I wonder why you would do such a thing.
Why would I need to make it up, when you are so obviously out of your depth and wrong here?
Archie Moses
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Zombie
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Catch and release has worked perfectly fine as a border control policy for over two hundreds years in fact.
You lied by referring to it as the original tweet, and you lied by claiming it supports the notion of "concentration camp must mean Nazis". Both untrue.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Apparently sending them back is not a legal option in an international sense, so cross that one off your list. The illegal crossings are approaching 100K a month and increasing, so while building adequate facilities (which you would term concentration camps) is an option, it would remain a very challenging proposition. For whatever reason, people are choosing to continue to cross this border into a situation that's facing greater and greater strain. Many people, including me, find it logical that infrastructure enabling law enforcement to create an orderly process ought to be put in place immediately.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I would hope that those crossing legally and claiming asylum were being handled differently and being prioritized over those who are crossing illegally. I would hope that those who have legitimate claims are being allowed in after reasonable processing. I would hope that those with illegitimate claims or with criminal histories were being turned away. I wish we had enough infrastructure in place in order to make the system as orderly as possible. I think that many progressive forces are motivated to make the system disorderly and overwhelming. It's amazing to me how far left that the left keeps moving. Obama and Clinton would be on the fringe right of the current Democratic Party..
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Can you make an educated guess? My bet would be less than a majority understand the history of concentration camps before the Nazis.
Archie Moses
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Yeah, I used "original" tweet when it was a her second tweet (I don't even know if it was her second tweet tbh, but my point still stands.) I said "her tweet" many times before so it's funny you focused on it the 4th or so time I used it. That's more of a technicality, but if you want to call me a liar on that, then I'll own it. I accidentally lied by saying it was her original tweet that had the link when it was one she sent after. I used the word original tweet as a filler word more than anything. I think it's cute of you though to point this out.
That said, I never once claimed that concentration camp "must mean Nazis."
What I have said is using the word concentration camp and denying that it implies, is synonymous, or has reference to Nazis concentration camps is cute.
@Zombie Yes. I'm aware there are and have been many different types of concentration camps.
Words carry weight from their history.
Ultimately, if it makes me wrong because I have the opinion that her using the words concentration camp had the intent of making people think of the Nazi's concentration camps then I'm wrong. I don't think it's an outrageous thought though. lol
Archie Moses
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I absolutely did. I stopped reading it entirely, copied and pasted it once I read it was making my point. I'm not arguing concentration camp doesn't have different histories and meanings outside of the Nazi's.
Archie Moses
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Two easy bets I'd make:
1. The majority of people would not understand the history of concentration camps. Hell, I'd bet less than 25% of Americans know we had them in the US during WWII.
2. If the question "what comes to mind when you hear concentration camp was asked on Family Feud, the number one and two answer for the survey would say Nazis/Jews.
Archie Moses
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You really think I'm wrong because I think her saying concentration camps was implying, to at least some degree, the Nazi's.
Yeah, OK, guy.
The Thriller
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LOL
This thread took one hilarious and easily predictable turn.
It’s the same story over and over for some posters. Pretty funny stuff.
This thread took one hilarious and easily predictable turn.
It’s the same story over and over for some posters. Pretty funny stuff.
Archie Moses
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You're right. It's the same story. The libs on her project, name call, make things up, argue points that aren't being argued.
It's exhausting tbh.
Did I miss anything?
Zombie
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As I recall this topic originated with your post about AOC tweeting dumb things, in support of that assertion you pointed to her use of the term "concentration camps" we've gone through great lengths proving that was not a dumb tweet, because "concentration camps" don't only imply the death camps and forced labor camps used by Nazi Germany, using a source you yourself provided but apparently didn't even read.
But yeah, we're the ones projecting and name calling here.
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Archie Moses
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Ok, her tweets are so level headed and she's clearly winning over the people. She should keep on tweeting because she says nothing dumb, not can't because she on your team Jacob.
Btw, my OG post wasn't about her concentration camp tweet to begin with. I think it was Jazzgal that brought it up to which I responded Yeah, boy. Or whatever the hell the song was she tweeted.
I certainly wasted more time and energy on the concentration camp tweet than I needed to. I do think she tends to tweet things on a regular basis that rubs the feathers or the right, the left, and everyone in between.
You may love her on Twitter or not. I don't care. I think her and Trump should stop tweeting just like everyone else should (unless it's sports updates, of course.)
Zombie
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Eh fair enough. I think she's fine on Twitter, she uses it to bring awareness to issues that I care about, even if that ruffles feathers along the way.
RJF
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Flip the script and you’d be of the opposite opinion. But, whatever.