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By pointing out how conservatives like to simultaneously claim that Obama had open borders and that Obama enforced immigration laws vigorously.



I appreciate that you can't remember the details of the political thoughts of every poster, neither can I. I didn't say anything about Obama in that post that I have not said many times before.

So, you can't make any connection between this exchange and somehow complicating or obstructing the actions of the current administration?
Okay, I got it. Cuomo says that Trump is running a despicable and embarrassing system. When it's pointed out that Obama had the same policies Cuomo says that is proof that Obama was following the law. And to you this exchange is proof that conservatives are two-faced. Good on Cuomo for calling them out... by being blatantly two-faced himself I guess.
 
True, but go ahead and pretend they have nothing to do with what is going on. If you can't see that progressives are attempting to obstruct and complicate everything that the current administration attempts to do, even when those actions are in alignment with goals that progressives were in support of immediately before this president took office, then you aren't paying attention. I was listening to CNN the other day and heard a hysterical (and illustrative) exchange. Chris Cuomo had been speaking in support of AOC's concentration camp claims. He talked about how embarrassing and reprehensible he found the Trump administration's handling of the situation. He then brought on a conservative guest who immediately said that Obama had deported more illegal immigrants than any president, including Trump. He added that Obama had also detained people, including many children, in chain-link cages. He said that by AOC's standards that Obama was also running concentration camps. Without hardly a pause Cuomo responded, "So you finally admit that Obama was enforcing our laws?" Cuomo literally spun on a dime when the subject turned to Obama. The same activities that are currently embarrassing and reprehensible were then enforcing our laws.

Obama wants open borders and also deported record numbers of illegal immigrants is a totally cogent argument. (EyeRoll).
 
Okay, I got it. Cuomo says that Trump is running a despicable and embarrassing system. When it's pointed out that Obama had the same policies Cuomo says that is proof that Obama was following the law. And to you this exchange is proof that conservatives are two-faced. Good on Cuomo for calling them out... by being blatantly two-faced himself I guess.
The equivalency between trump and Obama on concentration camps is absurd.

Talking point lies to the immensely gullible.
 
The progressive forces are not running the immigration system nor the concentration camps.


"progressive forces" should not equate with deliberate organized politically-motivated folks on hire from "Capitalists" who fund NGO-class efforts to promote migration of ignorant poor mis-educated low-grade labor into the United States, to reduce their breeding or to provide low-wage labor for casinos, motels/hotels/resorts, meat packers, agricultural corporates, quarries, mines, corporate building contractors, trucking companies, fast food joints, janitorial contractors, groundskeeper contractors, ranchers, porn operations, strip joints, brothels, and apparently innumberable other abusive racketeers who love not paying living wages while bribing Democrat and Republican legislators on every level to "take care" of the indigent, needy workers with taxpayer funds..... free everything for the illegals.... while we don't take care of our own citizens including veterans needing medical care, and our own homeless who live in ramshackle camps along every flood-prone creek and river in the country.

It might be "incremental" progress to you, but it is massively organized and politically supported by people who just plain don't like citizen rule or the US Constitution. Importing a dependendt class already accustomed to peony and servile work for the jefes is not "human progress".

rather, we should be expanding the principles of human rights and human liberty, and undermining the power of elites, cartels, and immoral corporates by teaching people worldwide the origins, the false beliefs and false narratives of Marx and the whole "progressive" movement. +

Progressivism is taught like a religion, and enforced by State authority. This violates the principle that the government should not be permitted to establish a belief paradigm of any kind and perpetrate it via state education systems.

My real commie buddy used to explain this to me, saying China, Russia, Albania, Cuba, and Viet Nam and Cambodia are not "real Marxists" but "State Capitalists". While I never persuaded him either to stop doing booze or drugs or denying the human right of property ownership, he convinced my of the hypocrisy of progressives who love to run governments that are in fact repressive.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was such a progressive. He had no second thoughts about establishing concentration camps for a clsss of US Citizens he did not trust.

Progressives established the Indian (Native American) Reservations and put the formerly self-reliant bands on the dole. Made reservations a sort of concentration camp, denied citizenship to these native Americans for many years.

Progressives were the carpetbaggers who ran the South in a many repressive to the former slaves.

The word has been hijacked and has always represented the exact opposite. It is not "progress" to take the world back to feudal society, to human subservience to the wealthy and elite.

It is a grand delusion to speak derisively of "Capitalists" while you are a trench digger in their service, helping them to reduce actual human opportunity and choices.

The right of humans to own property and make their own decisions in life is fundamental. No one whose efforts cut down or cut into those rights is "progressive"

The right word is "regressive". And it is no kind of utopia.
 
Where was the part where he said that Obama wanted open borders?

I’m not sure who this “he” that you are referring to. And I never said one specific person said it. It is a mantra that I have heard from many trump lemmings.
 
Where was the part where he said that Obama wanted open borders?

While Obama(and Hillary) give lip service to Marxist determinism, which includes eventual dissolution of national borders, neither is or ever has been free to just do whatever they want. And while they have done astonishing feats of disregarding law and principles of every kind, it does not mean they are hypocrites. They are hirelings, not revolutionaries. They actually have no principles or beliefs that matter.

The point is, they are demonstrating the power of their political benefactors/managers.... the few, the proud, the arrogant... the UN-Americans...… those few real powerful inner circles..... who are demonstrating their power, for show.

Their methods align quite well with the philosophical ideas of Napoleon and many other historical dictators across the ages.... they are best described by the idea, the philosophical claim, of "arrogance of power". Meaning, when you have the power you are above the law, you are beyond criticism, beyond the reach of reason. You simply display the ability to do what you want, without accountability and without justification.

AOC is not her own person, really. She was found, and financed, by The Young Turks..... by very wealthy backers of the Young Turks, who wish to use socialism to degrade the American principles of liberty. The Democratic Party is in turmoil, but it is only a quarrel between contestant look-a-likes vying for the leadership of the "Democratic Socialists", really the communiast (fake progressives) who think this is their hour.

Since this is not any kind of ideological or principled "cause", don't look for consistency or beliefs or any kind of reason, or any kind of vision for the future. This is simply a contest for raw, unaccountable, unchallengeable POWER over the human destiny. Just who wins..... does not matter. What does matter is that it is a "final solution" to the problem of limited governance for the fascists of our day.

And aren't ya'll just proud to be the chumps who help that happen.
 
I’m not sure who this “he” that you are referring to. And I never said one specific person said it. It is a mantra that I have heard from many trump lemmings.
Always nice to hear from a left-wing lemming spouting their mantra regardless of context.
 
When it's pointed out that Obama had the same policies Cuomo says that is proof that Obama was following the law.

Obama had the same system, but not the same policies, which is why he had far fewer people in detention, and they never became concentration camps.

I'm still wondering if you are going to justify your claim that progressives are somehow obstructing the President here. Soon? Never?
 
Obama had the same system, but not the same policies, which is why he had far fewer people in detention, and they never became concentration camps.

I'm still wondering if you are going to justify your claim that progressives are somehow obstructing the President here. Soon? Never?
Wonder no more. There are numerous active lawsuits against the Trump Administration's immigration policy. There are numerous cities that have passed sanctuary city policies. There are numerous Democratic presidential candidates decrying everything that Trump does or says, including immigration. There are numerous progressive media members beating a constant drum against Trump. All he has to do is take a position and they can be counted on to take an opposing position. It seems impossible that anyone could possibly miss the fact that progressives are attempting to obstruct the president in any and every way available to them.

And now I have a question for you. What is the number where "people in detention" transforms to "concentration camp"?
 
I’m not sure who this “he” that you are referring to. And I never said one specific person said it. It is a mantra that I have heard from many trump lemmings.

I’ve heard this in connection to Clinton and the 2020s but not Pres. Obama.
 
Wonder no more. There are numerous active lawsuits against the Trump Administration's immigration policy. There are numerous cities that have passed sanctuary city policies. There are numerous Democratic presidential candidates decrying everything that Trump does or says, including immigration. There are numerous progressive media members beating a constant drum against Trump. All he has to do is take a position and they can be counted on to take an opposing position. It seems impossible that anyone could possibly miss the fact that progressives are attempting to obstruct the president in any and every way available to them.

Here's your original (you may have forgotten it):
If you can't see that progressives are attempting to obstruct and complicate everything that the current administration attempts to do, even when those actions are in alignment with goals that progressives were in support of immediately before this president took office, then you aren't paying attention.If you can't see that progressives are attempting to obstruct and complicate everything that the current administration attempts to do, even when those actions are in alignment with goals that progressives were in support of immediately before this president took office, then you aren't paying attention.

I do see lawsuits complicating the revocation of DACA. However, DACA has widespread support (not just among progressives, either). Cities also fought against Obama's deportation policies; since Obama was quieter about his deportations, the cities refusing to cooperate didn't make news.

Presidential candidates and news organizations can't obstruct the President (unless you think mere discussion of his actions is obstruction/complication), and I don't think you will find many that have significantly changed their views on immigration versus three years ago.

Your whole narrative that Trump if facing some unusual backlash is a lie that has been fed to you.

And now I have a question for you. What is the number where "people in detention" transforms to "concentration camp"?

I don't have a hard, clear line, but when the number of people so outstrips the ability to provide for them that our administration is arguing before the supreme court that a lack of soap, a lack of mattresses to sleep upon, and the use of aluminum foil blankets still provides a sanitary conditions, we have certainly crossed that threshold.
 
Here's your original (you may have forgotten it):


I do see lawsuits complicating the revocation of DACA. However, DACA has widespread support (not just among progressives, either). Cities also fought against Obama's deportation policies; since Obama was quieter about his deportations, the cities refusing to cooperate didn't make news.

Presidential candidates and news organizations can't obstruct the President (unless you think mere discussion of his actions is obstruction/complication), and I don't think you will find many that have significantly changed their views on immigration versus three years ago.

Your whole narrative that Trump if facing some unusual backlash is a lie that has been fed to you.
DACA is not the only thing being litigated. Not even close. To me it is easy to see that progressives are taking obstruction to new heights. After all, they are bragging about doing so. Maxine Waters has told her constituents to disrupt conservative politicians whenever they come across them, at restaurants, gas stations, etc. I think the only reason you're arguing otherwise is that you like to argue.

The backlash is not some lie that has been fed to me. That's a ridiculous claim. I can understand the thinking of those who claim the backlash is deserved. I don't see the point of arguing whether or not it is actually happening.
 
DACA is not the only thing being litigated. Not even close. To me it is easy to see that progressives are taking obstruction to new heights. After all, they are bragging about doing so.

What are the other immigration-related litigations? Conditions in the camps?

Same old, same old on obstruction. McConnell said on the Senate floor that his primary goal was to make Obama a one-term President. I'm sure that's because he was planning o being super-cooperative.

The backlash is not some lie that has been fed to me.

The notion that it is unusual, or of a larger scale than faced by Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, or Obama, is a lie.
 
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