The Thriller
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So deplorable
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary
The Thriller
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She literally wrote a book on the history of concentration camps. But @Archie Moses we should trust Shapiro, the boy who couldn’t even last 10 mins on the BBC before getting so triggered he crapped his pants and stormed off.
Words of wisdom from someone who has learned from history by researching it for countless hours.
Words of wisdom from someone who has learned from history by researching it for countless hours.
The Thriller
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Yikes. We need to end these concentration camps.
You know you’re doing things wrong when People who have been held captive by Islamic terrorists are treated better.
You know you’re doing things wrong when People who have been held captive by Islamic terrorists are treated better.
Archie Moses
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@Thriller this is hilarious timing.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...efers-to-ben-shapiro-jordan-peterson-as-nazis
Let's make fun of the Jew and keep calling him a Nazi and **** his judgement on concentration camps.
Lastly, I'm not at all for these border camps, but apparently you're too dimwitted to separate my views with what you think my percieved views cause you're a team Jacob team fan boy. Me agreeing with them being called concentration camps or detention centers doesn't change the fact that I've clearly stated I support change and not what's going on.
Have fun running your concentration camp train into the ground. Verbal gymnastics will get you nowhere.
People like you are the worst.
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Red
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This essay by Pitzer, in the New York Review of Books, is an insightful and thoughtful history lesson:
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/06/21/some-suburb-of-hell-americas-new-concentration-camp-system/
"Without a significant government effort to reverse direction, conditions in every camp system tend to deteriorate over time. Governments rarely make that kind of effort on behalf of people they are willing to lock up without trial in the first place. And history shows that legislatures do not close camps against the will of an executive.....
.....What kind of conditions can we expect to develop in these border camps? The longer a camp system stays open, the more likely it is that vital things will go wrong: detainees will contract contagious diseases and suffer from malnutrition and mental illness. We have already seen that current detention practices have resulted in children and adults succumbing to influenza, staph infections, and sepsis. The US is now poised to inflict harm on tens of thousands more, perhaps hundreds of thousands more.
Along with such inevitable consequences, every significant camp system has introduced new horrors of its own, crises that were unforeseen when that system was opened. We have yet to discover what those will be for these American border camps. But they will happen. Every country thinks it can do detention better when it starts these projects. But no good way to conduct mass indefinite detention has yet been devised; the system always degrades....
....President Trump and senior White House adviser Stephen Miller appear to have purged the Department of Homeland Security of most internal opposition to their anti-immigrant policies. In doing so, that have removed even those sympathetic to the general approach taken by the White House, such as former Chief of Staff John Kelly and former Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, in order to escalate the militarization of the border and expand irregular detention in more systematic and punitive ways. This kind of power struggle or purge in the early years of a camp system is typical....
.....The Philippines, Japanese-American internment, Guantánamo… we can consider the fine points of how the current border camps evoke past US systems, and we can see how the arc of camp history reveals the likelihood that the suffering we’re currently inflicting will be multiplied exponentially. But we can also simply look at what we’re doing right now, shoving bodies into “dog pound”-style detention pens, “iceboxes,” and standing room-only spaces. We can look at young children in custody who have become suicidal. How much more historical awareness do we really need?"
Red
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And in a spirit of what I hope is fairness and objectivity, a comparison of detention under Obama and under Trump. Atrocious under Obama, but worsening under Trump:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/trump-child-immigrant-detention-no-toothpaste-obama.html
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/trump-child-immigrant-detention-no-toothpaste-obama.html
The Thriller
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I honestly don’t know how anyone can see what’s happening at the border and not see the similarities to concentration camps in the past.
@Archie Moses And that’s the point. You attempting to mock AOC just seems so bizarre to me. That’s the point with Shapiro fan boys. They get so caught up trying to mock AOC (probably because many of them know they’d have no chance with her) that they fail to see the greater issue, her comparison was valid.
@Archie Moses And that’s the point. You attempting to mock AOC just seems so bizarre to me. That’s the point with Shapiro fan boys. They get so caught up trying to mock AOC (probably because many of them know they’d have no chance with her) that they fail to see the greater issue, her comparison was valid.
The Thriller
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However, I believe Obama’s issue was lack of planning and resources to meet the demands of the surges we saw rather than purposely suppressing resources, separating families, and making the situation as cruel and appalling as possible. Just today on Fox News Trump announced that he’s not requesting additional money for these camps.
I don’t recall the Obama administration doing this:
Archie Moses
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I mean, if you read the thread, you'd see my initial comment wasn't about her concentration camp tweet. But that's too much to ask.
One Brow
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Right, the concentration camp tweet was merely the example you used to justify your original comment. Totally different.
Archie Moses
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I made my original comment about her dumb tweets without referencing anyone in particular. I made the comment after reading her Yeah, Boy tweet.
I mean, I still stand by my thought that the detention centers are far from being Nazi Concentration Camps (they are.) This doesn't translate to whatwh going on at the border as not being bad or unacceptable or in need of severe change. That, and OC tweets many dumb things and rubs many wrong.
Again, OC and Trump should just stay the hell off of Twitter. I think it's cute that Thriller thinks OC is putting fear into the right. I think she's screwing the left and helping the right, and Trump, which is something I don't want.
But you know, I'm alt right and a Shapiro fan boy. While Shapiro is making fun of OC's comments about student loans, and having skin in the game, I'm posting on Jazzfanz how ****ed up student loans are.
**** that guy's reading comprehension, and lazy *** labeling. And most importantly, **** that guy for saying he's glad I'm divorced.
RandyForRubio
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Whoa. Thriller said he's glad you're divorced? Or who said that?
The Thriller
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Who said they were glad you’re divorced? I haven’t seen anyone post that. Is this in reference to me? Sure man, do whatever is best for you and your family. I’m certainly not surprised you’re divorced, given your temper tantrums here. Honestly, I need to stop reading ignored posts in these threads. You and Rubio just crap all over threads and it’s exhausting trying to judge whether or not your posts are worth responding to. Better to just ignore them completely.
It’s funny how Rubio and Archie spend pages and pages vomiting all over this forum and then whine about so many posters on here misinterpreting what they write. Either you suck at expressing yourselves or you find yourself outside of your right wing echo chamber here, find that you’re wrong, and try and backtrack but don’t want to own your ****. It’s again, why I normally have you two on block but have to unignore some pages just to make sense of what people are saying.
But you’re right, AOC’s comment was totally wrong, Shapiro is awesome, and comedians who mock the LGBT community are hilarious. Everyone else is wrong, you’re right.
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RandyForRubio
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I've hardly posted in any political threads the past few months, so I hate to burst your bubble big guy, but I don't think you've seen pages and pages of my drivel in the past few months.
Outside of the student loan thing, I don't think I've vomited too much. If you'd like to show me the vomit posts I've made, I'd love to hear your criticism of them. Thanks!
Outside of the student loan thing, I don't think I've vomited too much. If you'd like to show me the vomit posts I've made, I'd love to hear your criticism of them. Thanks!
RandyForRubio
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That's a pretty ****** thing to say Thriller.
I don't agree with Archie on much, but he seems like a decent guy overall, and I really don't think that was called for.
The Thriller
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Hmmmm...
One Brow
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I agree they are far from death camps. Since Ocasio-Cortez never referred to them as Nazi Concentration Camps, I just think this point is not relevant to the quality of her Twitter feed.
Archie Moses
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One Brow
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Archie Moses
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From OC?
Unless you're specific, I don't know what you're referencing.
The funny thing is, I can massively disagree with Shapiro e.g. his take on AOC and student loans, but I still like the guy. I don't know what it is, maybe it just makes me giggle knowing how much people get insanely butt hurt by his takes to the degree they lie about his political stances and protest him.
He'd be the first to tell you he has a strong bias and is hyperbolic on his podcasts too.