Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary
I think that’s where Castro is headed. But he had a good night for himself. He abused Beto and I think made himself a leading candidate, at least on immigration. We will see if it lasts.
Jazzta
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As someone who considers foreign policy the top priority, I think Gabbard stole the show. As she correctly stated, you can’t really focus on internal issues when there’s an imminent possibility of being drawn into spending millions of dollars overseas, not to mention the human toll.
I liked her a lot. I’ve seen some conservative people, no one of consequence, start paying her attention and offering support. And the left is using it to discredit her.
Way to miss an opportunity
Joe Bagadonuts
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I completely disagree with your assessment. Neil comes off as a complete ***. Can you find an example of him interviewing a liberal in the same style?
But jobs at McDs are awesome
Carbon13
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Neil is a conservative.
Joe Bagadonuts
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He acts like an ***. Does he behave that way in every interview?
Carbon13
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Huh not sure I agree with you. I’m also not sure if he acts that way in every interview. But based on the response by the panel at the end, it seems like he is highly respected.
The Thriller
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Don’t you find it concerning that 4chan and twitter trolls were pumping her up during the debates? Methinks the enemies of the DNC are really trying to pump her up so she can Jill Stein 2020.
To me, not only does she lack substance on domestic issues, but her foreign policy scares me. No way should we retract America’s influence in the world to China and Russia. Capitulation to the worst dictators in the world is a recipe for disaster.
I think the legacy of Vietnam and now the recent history of Iraq have clouded peoples’ judgment on how positive of an impact we have had on the world. If we retract, others who might not share our same values or interests, will grow. I’m not ok with that.
I’m not cool with Poland, Hungary, Turkey, and even Ukraine falling back under Russian influence. I’m not cool with what China is doing in Southeast Asia. I get we’re tired of endless war (like Iraq) but that shouldn’t mean we secede influence to the scum of the world. Democracy needs support!
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The Thriller
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People claiming that Warren is “too liberal” make me laugh. Donald promises nanny government at every campaign rally. Losing the farm? Here’s a subsidy. Fridge company moving away? Here, let’s give them handouts and I’ll tweet at them. Coal going the way of the dodo bird? Here, let’s kill regulations and bring it back.
Americans love free stuff given to them by the government they just hate socialism...
Personally, I think warren will eventually be the candidate. She can ignite the base while picking off enough moderates and suburban women to win the party’s nomination. I thought she had a good night.
Americans love free stuff given to them by the government they just hate socialism...
Personally, I think warren will eventually be the candidate. She can ignite the base while picking off enough moderates and suburban women to win the party’s nomination. I thought she had a good night.
Jazzta
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Nah, Tulsi Gabbard, Yang or Sanders. The rest is good old boring, inefficient Washington. Nice try though
The Thriller
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Nah, Tulsi Gabbard, Yang or Sanders. The rest is good old boring, inefficient Washington. Nice try though
Boring? Efficiency? What about gabbard is imaginative, creative, or the opposite of boring? What about gabbard’s record shows that she’ll improve the efficiency of Washington? What does that even mean?
How would you quantify “efficiency” in DC?
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Jazzta
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Man you’re stubborn. I’d love to engage in an intense debate with you but I have to work. Maybe later.
The Thriller
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I ask questions, that’s what I do. I’m curious by what you meant in your previous post. Have a good one at work.
gandalfe
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Yang has the charisma of a paper bag. He seemed like a complete automaton at the debate.Nah, Tulsi Gabbard, Yang or Sanders. The rest is good old boring, inefficient Washington. Nice try though
Sanders was good, but didn't set anybody on fire.
Buttigieg came off well, but a little bit underwhelming.
Biden blew chunks. He needs to crawl back under his rock.
I don't like Kamala Harris as a candidate, I think she's not fully explained enough of some of the crap she did as a prosecutor. But she absolutely owned the debate.
Warren ruled night 1, that's for damn sure.
Zombie
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I pretty much agree with this. I think it will be pretty interesting to see Kamala and Warren in a debate together, they're probably the best of the group at this sort of thing.
I think the candidates with the most realistic shot at becoming frontrunners at this point are Warren, Biden (not due to his performance certainly), Harris, and of course Sanders.
Buttigieg and Castro seem like the kind of candidates that could catch fire a little bit if they manage to last long enough to get a little more exposure maybe Klobuchar too.
The Thriller
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One thing that irks me are the number of Never Trumpers online who have mostly left their party but now seek to turn the Democrats into the GOP. I’m talking about David Brooks, Bret Stevens, Charlie Sykes, and Tom Nicols. I typically enjoy reading their different perspectives since it’s not the typical conservative nonsense found on Fox News and on these forums. But the past 48 hrs have been silly.
They’re attacking Democratic candidates. They’re attacking the primary. They’re claiming that proposals of health care and college education are too liberal (never mind that literally every other industrialized nation has a single payer system) and seem to be trying to dictate our party’s policies.
GTFO.
Never Trumpers are welcome to join us. But I’m sorry, we’ve had 30 years of right wing policies stuffed down our throats. The Democratic Party would be considered far more conservative to their peers in most other nations. So if Never Trumpers want to come along for the ride in defeating Trump, welcome! But they don’t get to tell us where the party gets to go. Sorry. The country must defeat trump? Yes. But it also is in desperate need of a new progressive era to combat the right wing attacks on our democracy, a reinforcement of civil rights, health care, right wing corruption, unhealthy gun laws, and wealth inequality.
if they don’t like the progressive agenda which comes with supporting the party, they’re free to go back to the party of Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, Bret Kavanaugh, David Duke, and Donald Trump.
These are the two pieces I’ve read recently that have really irked me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/opinion/democratic-debate-2020.html
And
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-2020-debates-suggest-differently-ncna1024536
They’re attacking Democratic candidates. They’re attacking the primary. They’re claiming that proposals of health care and college education are too liberal (never mind that literally every other industrialized nation has a single payer system) and seem to be trying to dictate our party’s policies.
GTFO.
Never Trumpers are welcome to join us. But I’m sorry, we’ve had 30 years of right wing policies stuffed down our throats. The Democratic Party would be considered far more conservative to their peers in most other nations. So if Never Trumpers want to come along for the ride in defeating Trump, welcome! But they don’t get to tell us where the party gets to go. Sorry. The country must defeat trump? Yes. But it also is in desperate need of a new progressive era to combat the right wing attacks on our democracy, a reinforcement of civil rights, health care, right wing corruption, unhealthy gun laws, and wealth inequality.
if they don’t like the progressive agenda which comes with supporting the party, they’re free to go back to the party of Roy Moore, Duncan Hunter, Bret Kavanaugh, David Duke, and Donald Trump.
These are the two pieces I’ve read recently that have really irked me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/opinion/democratic-debate-2020.html
And
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-2020-debates-suggest-differently-ncna1024536
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I’m fiscal conservative who will vote for the most radical liberal the dems throw out there. Because the alternative is an immoral idiot. Then I hope some reasonable policies emerge based on compromise and balance of power.
Guys like David brooks are going to say their piece. They want a moderate dem that more closely matches their worldview. I don’t see much wrong with that, first amendment and democracy seem like solid things. As long as they help throw the carnival barker back to his 3 ring circus and eventually bankruptcy and jail.
Ps I think this is the first time I’ve disagreed with Thriller. Because even though we disagree about policy, his logic and arguments are just awesome, Jazz or politics. I’m just proving he is not my alt.
The Thriller
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Respond please. Or are you still at work?