After praising other dictatorial leaders, he stated maybe we (US) should try lifetime appointments for the president. He certainly thinks about having absolute power. The leaders he admires are the leaders who hold or have changed their system to allow them to stay in power.
After praising other dictatorial leaders, he stated maybe we (US) should try lifetime appointments for the president. He certainly thinks about having absolute power. The leaders he admires are the leaders who hold or have changed their system to allow them to stay in power.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I agree with everything you say, except that I haven't seen anyone defending Trump's statement. The left went nuts over it. The right thought he was kidding. And I disagree that the right falsely accused Obama of overreach. He invented all sorts of new powers for POTUS. The left didn't care at the time. Now they are hating it that his overreach paved the way for Trump.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I'm not certain what quote you are referring to, but when I've heard him say things along those lines I've always thought he was being facetious. People who can't stand him take everything he says seriously and get ridiculously freaked out by it. Even if he has some deep seated hope to change our form of government to a dictatorship (sounds so laughable but the left seems certain that's where we're headed), I don't believe he ever could.
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Holy **** this.
In the context of fretting over the little thumb on the Big Button and militarist influences (generals and some others) in his administration, the question is relevant. There are enough conservative and RINO Republicans to join with the Dems in requiring a declaration of war for significant use of arms. China, Russia, everybody knows that. But everyone knows they can get more from a good deal than a bad war.
Trump cannot be indicted or forced to testify. Congress could impeach him for whatever reason, and the Senate would render the verdict. Americans way more than the Trump voters would see it as pure electoral neutering of the voters. 75%, Nobody who votes for impeachment or removal from office would be re-elected except in LA, SF, and NY.
Since no criminal charges can be brought against a sitting Pres, he would not have any chance to pardon himself. If tried for crimes in office after leaving office.... like Obama should be.... he could be forced to testify and could be imprisoned if convicted by any regular court of law having jurisdiction. Congress and the Senate would have nothing to do with it.
His successor might pardon him, but the public would be interested and it might not be a good political move.
We're sick of Hillary and Obama and the Bushes and every Establishment politician who has trivialized provisions of law and treated us with contempt. Just show us Trump belongs in that set, and we'll insist he be jailed and the key thrown away.
One faction of privileged elites fussing about some outsider being elected is just what it takes to make us all mad at those "privileged elites". That's why the Trumpdumpsters are stupid as hell.
You ever feel like saying something that isn't exactly what they are saying on right-wing talk radio today?
Like do you feel it's your job to relay what you hear on your favorite conservative talk show? As if us dumb *** Trumpdumpsters, have no access to those facts unless you post them here on Jazzfanz. I've got a huge clue for you, everything you posted here, I've heard it a few times already, I've read it as I scan through various news sources from different points of view. You're not enlightening anyone. The people here you frequently like to call out as liberal shills (myself among them), we all hear the stupid **** you say many times before you get around to posting it here from half a dozen other half-wits thinking they're blowing people's minds with truth.
Give us something original, babe. Think for yourself. Use your own words.
back at ya. You think I haven't spent years listening to NPR, CNN, or even reading Marx?
obviously, you and perhaps a few others are here wanting to paint the world your way. Grow up. This isn't your ball of goop, it's a public forum.
if it were just you, I'd probably not bother. except for being something of a knowledgeable marksman with a few tatters of libertarianism, you read like a daily talking points catalogue for the left.
It's definitely a thing today for statist/progressive types to wanna silence people with opinions coherent with traditional American values. Brave new world, all kinds of pointy-nosed experts, socialized reconstructionist with some notion of a better world to be had if only people would listen, if only people could be compelled to be compliant.
If no one comes in here to voice a contrary notion, you'd call it a victory. You worry too much about what I say. You should worry about being outta touch, bro. And the hate doesn't make you look good either.
you're in a 10% brainwashed minority. JFC is not a representative slice of Jazz fans, is not even something most Jazz fans want out on the 'net callin' for the team.
I hardly worry about what you say. You put my name in your posts when I haven't interacted with you in weeks.
I'm under your skin way deeper than you're under mine.
babe, a little while back I posted something and franklin took exception to it. I can't tell you how excited I was to have a DISCUSSION with someone. He directly addressed the points I had made, explained why he disagreed and offered a reasonable counter that was actually related to what I had posted. It was pure bliss. I responded back with clarification of my POV and my take on what he had posted. A few weeks later he came to my house for the jazzfanz poker game, along with Ron Mexico, Siro, Stoked, and several others (no offense, my wife is waiting for me to finish this so we can go eat). I don't want to silence anyone who is willing to actually engage in HONEST dialogue. I haven't put you on ignore because you are not dishonest, but you also don't say anything that I haven't already heard so I mostly skim your posts.
And babe, pointy-nosed experts? Riding the line there, bro.
I'm under your skin way deeper than you're under mine.
babe, a little while back I posted something and franklin took exception to it. I can't tell you how excited I was to have a DISCUSSION with someone. He directly addressed the points I had made, explained why he disagreed and offered a reasonable counter that was actually related to what I had posted. It was pure bliss. I responded back with clarification of my POV and my take on what he had posted. A few weeks later he came to my house for the jazzfanz poker game, along with Ron Mexico, Siro, Stoked, and several others (no offense, my wife is waiting for me to finish this so we can go eat). I don't want to silence anyone who is willing to actually engage in HONEST dialogue. I haven't put you on ignore because you are not dishonest, but you also don't say anything that I haven't already heard so I mostly skim your posts.
And babe, pointy-nosed experts? Riding the line there, bro.
yah, Franklin is great. Wanted me to come with him to the poker night.
I've made you the archetype JFC normative happy all's well libertarian/statist/progressive, a sort of amalgam of all the irritable revolutionaries who live off the mainstream media and believe in the brave new world while dissing conservatives with their outtadate constitutional ignorance. You are often, when Red doesn't beat you to it, the man with the latest talkin' points. Like when you were excited about the wonderful new movement dubbed "antifa". But hey, you invite the attention with your Bulletproof claim. Of course you don't mean bullets but talkin' points, but I take it as an invitation to try.
whatever, you are the life of the party in JFCland.
My ideas are actually original with me, as new takes on things others have said, perhaps. I dunno, maybe those guys who couldn't bear Brit insults have a lot in common with today's Americans who can't bear elitist hoity-toity insults either.
So, anyway. This discussion about Presidents.
In diplomatic service, diplomats are generally held to be above the law in most nations. All you can do to an offending diplomat is send him home. The reason is we do not want policemen insinuating themselves into politics on that level.
So we do have some standards or rules for government officials. But in general, it is important that they cannot be harassed by mere policemen or code enforcement officers issuing warrants or making arrests, because at a certain level we need these officials to be protected from meddling nuisance harassment.
Nobody can arrest a member of the Supreme Court or the Senate or House or the President. It does not mean they are "above the law". The law that pertains is the Constitution which provides for impeachment and removal when there is enough support. The House and Senate can eject members of their own institutions, but neither the Pres nor the SC can do that. The Congress can remove Justices from the SC, or impeach the Pres. This comes from the body most directly accountable to the people.
If Mueller found anything on Trump, all he can do is refer it to the House. The DOJ is under Trump, and Trump could fire anybody in the Executive Branch, qualified only by some kinds of internal traditions which nobody has thrown out yet. Mueller has said Trump is not the subject of his investigation. It's the Russians.....But really the things he's found have been relatively trivial and outtaline and appear to be mere arm-twisting in an attempt to roll somebody to say something.... about what he's (Mueller) supposedly not investigating.
Trump has rolled his eyes and said "Whatever", but he's responsible for the waste of public funds on the snipe hunt.
and no, this is not Hannity & Levin exactly.
I know that nobody has any rights except what the public will squawk about if anybody crosses the line.
I know who owns the "news" and why it's not really "the news".
alright, so anytime anyone says anything like what I said, it is the strategy of the day to eliminate the voice. manipulate the platform, edge out the wrong opinions. Our present day manipulators of the public consciousness really will use whatever tools they have to quiet the streets.
My ggrandpa was Mark Twains partner in Virginia City. You know, that humorist who told the truth..... "Let sleeping dogs lie..... but if there's much at stake, you'd better get the newspaper to do it."
Well, Trump could not withstand the effort to remove him from office except there is a huge majority of Americans who are telling their Congressmen they won't stand for it.
The Dump strategy is a colossal failure.
In diplomatic service, diplomats are generally held to be above the law in most nations. All you can do to an offending diplomat is send him home. The reason is we do not want policemen insinuating themselves into politics on that level.
So we do have some standards or rules for government officials. But in general, it is important that they cannot be harassed by mere policemen or code enforcement officers issuing warrants or making arrests, because at a certain level we need these officials to be protected from meddling nuisance harassment.
Nobody can arrest a member of the Supreme Court or the Senate or House or the President. It does not mean they are "above the law". The law that pertains is the Constitution which provides for impeachment and removal when there is enough support. The House and Senate can eject members of their own institutions, but neither the Pres nor the SC can do that. The Congress can remove Justices from the SC, or impeach the Pres. This comes from the body most directly accountable to the people.
If Mueller found anything on Trump, all he can do is refer it to the House. The DOJ is under Trump, and Trump could fire anybody in the Executive Branch, qualified only by some kinds of internal traditions which nobody has thrown out yet. Mueller has said Trump is not the subject of his investigation. It's the Russians.....But really the things he's found have been relatively trivial and outtaline and appear to be mere arm-twisting in an attempt to roll somebody to say something.... about what he's (Mueller) supposedly not investigating.
Trump has rolled his eyes and said "Whatever", but he's responsible for the waste of public funds on the snipe hunt.
and no, this is not Hannity & Levin exactly.
I know that nobody has any rights except what the public will squawk about if anybody crosses the line.
I know who owns the "news" and why it's not really "the news".
alright, so anytime anyone says anything like what I said, it is the strategy of the day to eliminate the voice. manipulate the platform, edge out the wrong opinions. Our present day manipulators of the public consciousness really will use whatever tools they have to quiet the streets.
My ggrandpa was Mark Twains partner in Virginia City. You know, that humorist who told the truth..... "Let sleeping dogs lie..... but if there's much at stake, you'd better get the newspaper to do it."
Well, Trump could not withstand the effort to remove him from office except there is a huge majority of Americans who are telling their Congressmen they won't stand for it.
The Dump strategy is a colossal failure.