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Red

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TBH, I’m glad you don’t know this.

Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler aren’t outliers. The whole movement is socialist. The media does a good job of publishing images that omit pieces that give away the game. They’ll post images of some white loser parading around with a Confederate flag, holding up symbols most don’t know, or if there is a banner it is often in a shot in which the middle word is hard to make out. The text of the article or talking heads will tell everyone they are right-wingers. It is fake. Nearly always that confederate flag holder is a socialist and a Bernie Sander supporter.

Here is who they really are:
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The NSM (National Socialist Movement) was the primary organization at Charlottesville. The racist shooter in Buffalo who is the subject of this thread, he called himself a socialist.


View: https://twitter.com/TheIowan3/status/1525669531611430912


I know that not all people on the political left believe the way these guys do. I don't even think all Socialists are race obsessed, but there seems to be something about being race obsessed that seems to make socialism more appealing. Ibram X Kendi, who makes his entire living playing up issues of race, is socialist and on the political left. The BLM founders are socialist and on the political left. There is zero chance you could come up with 3 Republican congress members for every socialist race hustler I can point to because there are thousands of these socialist bigots.

I see the banner for the National Socialist Movement, but it just seems unlikely that they are actually left leaning at all. I know when Dutch was still a member here, he often trolled people here by insisting the Nazis, because they were the National Socialists, must be left wingers, simply because of the party name.


Good Vice News doc….

 


Al-O-Meter

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...often trolled people here by insisting the Nazis, because they were the National Socialists, must be left wingers, simply because of the party name.
By American standards, the Nazis were a hard left party. They were only "right wing" in the Wiemar Republic when they were the alternative to the Frankfurt School Marxist Communists.

It isn't the name of the party that makes them left wing, it is the ideology the party espoused. I can recommend a couple of great books I know no one here will read, and people in this forum are still arguing against my insistence of the United States being a republic rather than a democracy so I know there is little point into getting in to it but yes the Nazis were actual socialists even if they were not Marxist socialists. Their modern supporters are a good fit with Bernie Sanders.


View: https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-National-Socialism-Rainer-Zitelmann/dp/1852527900



View: https://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Economy-Doing-Business-Fascism/dp/161016038X
 

One Brow

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By American standards, the Nazis were a hard left party.
I think the modern-day English Tories are, by American standards, a hard left party. The Nazis were about state ownership of the means of production, which is pretty much off the American political spectrum.

It isn't the name of the party that makes them left wing, it is the ideology the party espoused.
Putting the welfare of the state above the welfare of people is not a left-wing ideology.

Their modern supporters are a good fit with Bernie Sanders.
Only if you warp what Sanders aims for beyond all recognition.
 

LogGrad98

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I think this distracts from the discussion, as opposed to building on it. In fact only 4% of gun deaths in America involve rifles at all, most are with handguns. And only (note "only" is just to signify the percentage, not minimize the impact) 4 of the 10 most deadly mass shootings in America involved an AR-15 style rifle. The others, and in fact nearly every mass shooting, involved the use of handguns at some point.



By the way, anyone know what "AR" stands for?



That's right....



ArmaLite Rifle

Surprised?
 

The Thriller

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I think this distracts from the discussion, as opposed to building on it. In fact only 4% of gun deaths in America involve rifles at all, most are with handguns. And only (note "only" is just to signify the percentage, not minimize the impact) 4 of the 10 most deadly mass shootings in America involved an AR-15 style rifle. The others, and in fact nearly every mass shooting, involved the use of handguns at some point.



By the way, anyone know what "AR" stands for?



That's right....



ArmaLite Rifle

Surprised?
True. The issue here is white supremacists on Fox News radicalizing viewers to act out their worst fantasies.

I’m fine with overhauling gun reform throughout the nation (I’m sure republicans and their Supreme Court will support that…). Make handguns much harder to get, increase wait times, ban ARs, buy guns back, invest in a PR campaign to break our sick gun culture fetish, etc. whatever it takes. I just want to live in a normal industrialized country where gun violence in malls, schools, theaters, churches, grocery stores, music concerts, etc aren’t a regular occurrence.
 

Red

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Their modern supporters are a good fit with Bernie Sanders.
But I would still have a hard time picturing a Jewish Bernie Sanders joining the marchers in Charlottesville, carrying a torch, and chanting “Jews will not replace us”. I don’t think he would feel at home at all, or regard those gentlemen as his ideological breathren.
 

babe

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If you're concerned about racism or human rights in Buffalo, here's a place that's leading the charge worldwide:


Eastern European countries generally have been slow to take in refugees from some parts of the world, on the theory that it would alter the culture or communities too much. Syria...... no. Ukraine...... yes.

The political spectrum most political wonks use is pretty damnable. Left and Right mean nothing on the human rights axis. The real issue is equal protection under the law and no special people like rich dudes whatever color getting differential treatment by police, courts, or legislators.

The American system was the first, and best shot we ever had at a society that could recognize all people as equal in opportunity and culture and rights.

These were things first developed in America under the Constitution and which have led the way to better lives for all over the course of our history. We did not start out all that good with native Americans or the imported slaves and indentured servants or apprentice labor, but we made some progress. True progress.

today's "progressives" are using basic political principles developed by British Foreign Office agents across the Imperialist, colonialist history to divide populations, generate extreme hatreds between ordinary people, manipulate them, and put oligarchic "elites" in place to run things for "Er Majesty, the Queen." Well, no. For the richest of the rich.

In some places the puppets have been Marxists. Marxists set up and maintained by the puppeteers of the West. A global hoax the keep the little people marching off to wars they don't understand and die for no good reason.
 

babe

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But I would still have a hard time picturing a Jewish Bernie Sanders joining the marchers in Charlottesville, carrying a torch, and chanting “Jews will not replace us”. I don’t think he would feel at home at all, or regard those gentlemen as his ideological breathren.
No one needs to worry about Jews replacing anybody anywhere except, maybe, Israel. They're not breeding so much.

There are at least three reasons why some of our powerful policy people want an influx of people into this country. Well, I can think of six, actually.

Cheap labor.

Economic growth.

Population management. ( People in areas with no cultural or economic or medical services to slow population growth, who come here, will immediately decide to use birth control, at least in significant numbers)

alleviation of very poor living conditions and opportunities for many people. (Freedom for humans, like in the Neil Diamond song and the movie "America" in The Jazz Singer)

Marxist ideological strategies to try to break the American System a la Cloward/Piven strategy. A lot of college profs are pushing this, have been for decades.

A kind of racism/Nationalism sometimes embraced by Mexicans of the La Raza Reconquista breed.

Only the last has a kind of "racist" idea. The rest are political strategies, economic motives.

It is true that some white Americans have concerns about the changing culture and politics, but that is not why the people are coming. And not why the movers and shakers are favoring the policies that bring them here. It's the "tool" value, it would be the same if these people were whites willing to come, change their lives, work live slaves, and vote "right" or be used as pawns in the ideological warfare.

If I were a Republican I would counter the rhetoric on the concern about the Dems getting the votes and just go after those "votes".
 
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Al-O-Meter

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But I would still have a hard time picturing a Jewish Bernie Sanders joining the marchers in Charlottesville, carrying a torch, and chanting “Jews will not replace us”. I don’t think he would feel at home at all, or regard those gentlemen as his ideological breathren.
Very true, but the opposite is not. The so-called Jewish question doesn't have a universal answer among white supremacists. Before Richard Spencer, a guy by the name of Jared Taylor was the biggest name in white supremacy and he was very open about seeing Jews as white people. As for the group in the Vice piece you linked to earlier, they grumbled on camera about Trump giving his daughter to a Jew but they marched in support of him anyway.
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As for the details of Bernie's preferred flavor of socialism, there are likely differences but among the major political candidates in the last election, he was closer to what they wanted to see than anyone else was.
 


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